If you're liberal, I believe your faith is in doubt

[Buddha Dharma]

I disagree with this, because classical liberalism is not religious

That's an interesting view. Perhaps 'religious' isn't quite the word.

Classical liberalism - Wikipedia

Yes, thank you. I'm sure this is useful. I'm wondering what form of Libertarianism you think specifically fits this definition? I'm honestly not trying to grill you with 20 questions.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's an interesting view. Perhaps 'religious' isn't quite the word.

But religion is a big part of modern N Americastanian conservativism.
This differs from classical liberalism & especially with libertarianism.

Yes, thank you. I'm sure this is useful. I'm wondering what form of Libertarianism you think specifically fits this definition? I'm honestly not trying to grill you with 20 questions.

Instead of thinking terms of different kinds of libertarianism, think of the goal, ie, minimizing
state imposed coercion both economically & socially. And recognize that we'll differ somewhat
in how best to achieve this. Some extreme types will want less government than others.
I'd want more because it should have enuf power to prevent my dumping waste from my
hog farm up river from you. The Libertarian Party (either Canuckistanian or Americastanian)
is in the practical wing. (Not practical enuf to win major offices though.) But we'd all have
the goal of steering government in the direction of individual liberty.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

But religion is a big part of modern N Americastanian conservativism.
This differs from classical liberalism & especially with libertarianism.

Yes, I only mentioned that because while religion in the organized sense may not have been important to the enlightenment-era liberals, spirituality in a more broad sense definitely was. Christian Deism seems to have been the form this primarily took, but it served the purpose of grounding humanistic principles.

I sometimes think that the decline of humanism has something to do with this abandoning of higher purpose.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, I only mentioned that because while religion in the organized sense may not have been important to the enlightenment-era liberals, spirituality in a more broad sense definitely was. Christian Deism seems to have been the form this primarily took, but it served the purpose of grounding humanistic principles.

I sometimes think that the decline of humanism has something to do with this abandoning of higher purpose.

Different higher purposes.

 

[outlawState]

This isn't just christians, but for all religions

I liked the title
"If you're liberal, I believe your faith is in doubt"
but your post is something of a non-sequitur, because a Christian would say that anyone who isn't a Christian had a doubtful faith in any event, whether liberal or illiberal.

Moreover "liberal can be a political or an economic or a moral term, each with different connotations. One can be a successful Christian and a devotee of liberal economics, i.e. free markets within certain constraints, or plausibly support freedom of religion within certain constraints, or plausibly support certain models of democracy, but not necessarily the universal franchise. Its all a matter of what is right and what is wrong. Tyranny, the opposite of "liberal," can also be a bad thing.

I agree one couldn't be permissive or promiscuous and a true Christian, although one might be a fallen Christian, whose either going to turn around back to the straight and narrow, or continue on downward.

I think a more precise statement would be, "if you're an antinomian, I believe your faith is in doubt" where antinomian = not an adherent of the moral law defined for Christians.

But as you're apparently still quite young, I can see why you would use the word "liberal."

 

[MushroomMan]

Neglecting the fact that some religions can encourage positions that are commonly considered liberal, are we?

 

[Faithofchristian]

If your a true Christian, then you can not be a Lbieral.
Seeing liberals supports things that God stands against.

 

[Katzpur]

If your a true Christian, then you can not be a Lbieral.

Man, how I detest judgmental people.

Seeing liberals supports things that God stands against.

So God likes guns now?

 

[Faithofchristian]

So God likes guns now?

God like those who defends themselves.
And not be someone's walk on.

 

[Katzpur]

God like those who defends themselves.
And not be someone's walk on.

Yeah, forget about turning the other cheek. That must have been a misquote. What he really said was, "Hit 'em back!" And shame on those 17 kids who died in Parkland. They forgot to bring their semi-automatics to school that day to defend themselves.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Yeah, forget about turning the other cheek. That must have been a misquote. What he really said was, "Hit 'em back!" And shame on those 17 kids who died in Parkland. They forgot to bring their semi-automatics to school that day to defend themselves.

You have no clue or idea what lt means to turn the other cheek.
You think it means, if someone comes up to you, for no reason and hits you,
Your suppose to stand there and just turn them the other cheek, so they can hit you again.

Now that's to funny and amazing how people come up with such things, that they have no idea about.

What it's means to turn the other cheek.

Is that if someone talking to someone else and they keep going until the other person gets so mad and hits them, When they should haved stop, but instead they just kept antagonizing the other person,
Until the other person became so hostile, angry at them and hit them.
They deserved every bit of being hit, when they should haved stop and let it go.

No instead they kept antagonizing, until the other person got mad eoungh that they hit them.
Which was the other person fault in the first place, for not stopping, and just letting it go.

That's what it means to turn the other cheek, That if you kept antagonizing a person that they hit you, When you should haved stop and let it go.
But instead you kept antagonizing them, Which caused they hit you, and it was your fault, to keep antagonizing them, When you should haved stop. Now they hit you, Now turn the other cheek and them hit you,
All because you deserved it, For not backing off. But instead you kept antagonizing them. Until they had enough of your antagonizing them. That they hit you.

 

[Katzpur]

You have no clue or idea what lt means to turn the other cheek.

Apparently I have a much better idea of it than you do. I'm not surprised, though. Anyone who would say that a liberal cannot be a true Christian is either stupid beyond belief or judgmental beyond belief or both -- and is definitely not worth my time to talk to.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Apparently I have a much better idea of it than you do. I'm not surprised, though. Anyone who would say that a liberal cannot be a true Christian is either stupid beyond belief or judgmental beyond belief or both -- and is definitely not worth my time to talk to.

If a Christian is a Liberal and promotes everything that God stands against, Then they are not a True Christian. But are found standing against God.

A True Christian will stand with God, and be against everything,
That God is against. That's plain and simple.

Apparently you have no clue or idea what makes a True Christian.

 

[Katzpur]

If a Christian is a Liberal and promotes everything that God stands against, Then they are not a True Christian. But are found standing against God.

A True Christian will stand with God, and be against everything,
That God is against. That's plain and simple.

Apparently you have no clue or idea what makes a True Christian.

Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance and both are off the charts.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Your ignorance is only surpassed by your arrogance and both are off the charts.

What ever do you means, Seeing your ignorance has always been off the charts.

Seeing you have no clue or idea what it takes to be a true Christian, You seem to think to support everything and anything that stands against God, is a true Christian.
Ok, What ever.

 

[Jerusalem719]

Absolutely. I believe liberalism is simply evil. It is satans tool to lead mankind astray from god. Economic liberalism, but especially social liberalism cant exist in a truly godly society.

 

[ChristineM]

Absolutely. I believe liberalism is simply evil. It is satans tool to lead mankind astray from god. Economic liberalism, but especially social liberalism cant exist in a truly godly society.

And i believe a true god follower would not judge others in such a way. But hey, thats just a belief, you proved my belief to be false

 

[metis]

Absolutely. I believe liberalism is simply evil. It is satans tool to lead mankind astray from god. Economic liberalism, but especially social liberalism cant exist in a truly godly society.

That's quite a stereotype.

BTW, wanna read someone spouting liberalism? Read the Sermon On the Mount followed by Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats (Matthew 25).

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You have no clue or idea what lt means to turn the other cheek.
You think it means, if someone comes up to you, for no reason and hits you,
Your suppose to stand there and just turn them the other cheek, so they can hit you again.

Now that's to funny and amazing how people come up with such things, that they have no idea about.

What it's means to turn the other cheek.

Is that if someone talking to someone else and they keep going until the other person gets so mad and hits them, When they should haved stop, but instead they just kept antagonizing the other person,
Until the other person became so hostile, angry at them and hit them.
They deserved every bit of being hit, when they should haved stop and let it go.

No instead they kept antagonizing, until the other person got mad eoungh that they hit them.
Which was the other person fault in the first place, for not stopping, and just letting it go.

That's what it means to turn the other cheek, That if you kept antagonizing a person that they hit you, When you should haved stop and let it go.
But instead you kept antagonizing them, Which caused they hit you, and it was your fault, to keep antagonizing them, When you should haved stop. Now they hit you, Now turn the other cheek and them hit you,
All because you deserved it, For not backing off. But instead you kept antagonizing them. Until they had enough of your antagonizing them. That they hit you.

That is a moronic twisting of the truth.
Blaming the victim is what defenders of rapists do.

There is no doubt at all Christ's teaching is the basis of liberal philosophy, and is the inspiration for liberal political thought.

 

[Audie]

Man, how I detest judgmental people.

I am like that too.

And I find bigots to be intolerable, dont you?