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Ignorance is bliss...

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I never really understood that saying, until I left Christianity four years ago. Ignorance is bliss. It can be. When you are a young child indoctrinated into a particular faith, especially an Abrahamic one, you are given a set of moral codes to live by, that you don’t question. Once I hit my teen years, I had doubts…so many doubts. I didn’t believe in heaven or hell, and I didn’t like how people who weren’t of my faith, were being treated and discriminated against, by people of my faith.

Ignorance is bliss.

Today, I was talking to a friend of mine, who has been a Christian her entire life, since childhood. When I answered the phone, her voice sounded serious, and a bit shaken. She told me that she didn’t want anyone to know what she was about to tell me. I thought, wow, this must be bad. But, she ended up telling me that she hasn’t been a ‘’true’’ Christian in her heart, for some time now, and that she believes she is an atheist. She started crying, because no one knows this, it was overwhelming for her to share this with another person. I told her that this is a good thing, and to not feel guilty or ashamed of it. She explained how she isn’t ready to come out to others, and she still intends to attend church services. I said, you say that now, but once you know the truth about religion, something changes…you can never go back.

I find atheism to be logical, yet on an emotional level, it leaves me wanting. This is but one path that the journey will take my friend. When you are a lifelong Christian (or believer, in general) it is very hard to let go of the fear, guilt and shame associated with abandoning your religion. I conveyed to her today, that the road will be hard, but in an odd way, worth it.

Ignorance is bliss.

Knowledge and believing in the here and now, and not in fantasies and fairy tales, should be seen as a positive. But, it is very daunting to leave a secure place of fantasy, for an insecure place of reality. I’ve known people who have left religion and identify as atheists, and they seem unscathed by their journeys, unless they are good at hiding their feelings? That could be.

My friend sounded relieved, but I told her, that ignorance is bliss.

When you go on believing lies, you don’t know they are lies, even if you have doubts about your beliefs. You just keep going on with your everyday life, praising Jesus and thinking that he will make everything right in your life. Because this is what you are taught, and to leave it, would be sinful…would be wrong. But, then one day…you realize that it isn’t true, and that you now have knowledge that can set you free. But that freedom comes with a price, and that price is discovering who you are, without religion telling you so. That is very hard, and if you have not gone through it, you will never know how arduous the journey is for ex-theists. My friend and I live in the United States and the year is 2015...and yet, she is afraid to tell a soul that she is an atheist. That she no longer believes in Christianity. How about that. How sad is that.

Ignorance is bliss.

My friend will have a hard road ahead of her…for she will lose friends, and her family will chastise her choice to depart from their truth. She will eventually not be able to carry on a façade, but instead she will wish to be free. But in the meantime, and there is always a meantime, she will struggle as I have to make sense of this life, without a religion telling me how to make sense of it.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS.

But so is freedom. :sunflower:
 
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lovemuffin

τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
I would say perhaps it's not so much ignorance that is bliss, but innocence. I don't think the willful, actively maintained, and zealously guarded ignorance of a great many people seems blissful, but the innocence of childhood is. Once we've lost our innocence, we can't try to stuff it back into a bottle by pretending not to be able to reason about the world, it is not blissful to try to force a belief in the unbelievable. But maybe there is a new innocence that is possible. Not like the first, and not ignorance, but at least an openness to the mystery of life that doesn't have to deny reason, but also doesn't have to destroy the beauty of an innocent look with a rigid rationalism. To me, that's the challenge.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I would say perhaps it's not so much ignorance that is bliss, but innocence. I don't think the willful, actively maintained, and zealously guarded ignorance of a great many people seems blissful, but the innocence of childhood is. Once we've lost our innocence, we can't try to stuff it back into a bottle by pretending not to be able to reason about the world, it is not blissful to try to force a belief in the unbelievable. But maybe there is a new innocence that is possible. Not like the first, and not ignorance, but at least an openness to the mystery of life that doesn't have to deny reason, but also doesn't have to destroy the beauty of an innocent look with a rigid rationalism. To me, that's the challenge.

But some days well named. I wish I could go back to who I was as a Christian. This dutiful, obeying Christian...who didn't question so much, even though she had doubts. I kept myself ignorant. :( And now...it's true...knowledge is powerful as they say, and I can never be ignorant (or innocent as you say)...again.

I don't consider you ignorant, btw. lol ^_^ (my terminology doesn't mean ignorant in a way that is offensive, it means more that religious people often don't question what they are taught, out of fear, etc)
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
As long as people acknowledge and respect their ignorance and uncertainties, it's all about what you do with the knowledge and wisdom you do have. Many can harp on and on about what they don't believe in, what seems fantastical or guided by emotion...but then what?

It's the easy way out to just dismiss and oversimplify left and right but not to actually put in the hard work of discovery. In the end becoming a cynical denialist isn't any better than to be a naive dreamer.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
My move many years ago to no longer blindly accept religious beliefs I have also found to be extremely liberating as I no longer have to try and force myself to believe in that which there's no evidence for. Instead, I lean in the direction of Spinoza's pantheistic/panentheistic believe in "Nature". I'm not even sure that's correct, nor does it particularly bother me that I don't know.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
My move many years ago to no longer blindly accept religious beliefs I have also found to be extremely liberating as I no longer have to try and force myself to believe in that which there's no evidence for. Instead, I lean in the direction of Spinoza's pantheistic/panentheistic believe in "Nature". I'm not even sure that's correct, nor does it particularly bother me that I don't know.

I bolded that, as it really touched me. Thank you, metis for this.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
As long as people acknowledge and respect their ignorance and uncertainties, it's all about what you do with the knowledge and wisdom you do have. Many can harp on and on about what they don't believe in, what seems fantastical or guided by emotion...but then what?

It's the easy way out to just dismiss and oversimplify left and right but not to actually put in the hard work of discovery. In the end becoming a cynical denialist isn't any better than to be a naive dreamer.

Sometimes I wish I could just sit on a fence,and never make any decisions. I wouldn't have to choose between belief and disbelief...I'd just stay on the fence. lol But, that's not reality, is it?
Thanks for your thoughts, Sees. You have a way with making sense.
 

Dionysus

┏(°.°)┛┗(°.°)┓┗(°.°)┛┏(°.°)┓
I have nothing but love and hugs and praise for those willing to struggle through dogmatic deprogramming from the well or ill-intentioned, stand on the shoulders of the the truth-seekers who came before them, and try to shed a little more light on all that is true and beneficial. :heart::yellowheart::greenheart:
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Religion gives you comfort and significance.
Everything will turn out fine in the end. There is a plan.
You are an important part of this plan. The whole Universe is focused on you.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
I never really understood that saying, until I left Christianity four years ago. Ignorance is bliss. It can be. When you are a young child indoctrinated into a particular faith, especially an Abrahamic one, you are given a set of moral codes to live by, that you don’t question. Once I hit my teen years, I had doubts…so many doubts. I didn’t believe in heaven or hell, and I didn’t like how people who weren’t of my faith, were being treated and discriminated against, by people of my faith.

Ignorance is bliss.

Today, I was talking to a friend of mine, who has been a Christian her entire life, since childhood. When I answered the phone, her voice sounded serious, and a bit shaken. She told me that she didn’t want anyone to know what she was about to tell me. I thought, wow, this must be bad. But, she ended up telling me that she hasn’t been a ‘’true’’ Christian in her heart, for some time now, and that she believes she is an atheist. She started crying, because no one knows this, it was overwhelming for her to share this with another person. I told her that this is a good thing, and to not feel guilty or ashamed of it. She explained how she isn’t ready to come out to others, and she still intends to attend church services. I said, you say that now, but once you know the truth about religion, something changes…you can never go back.

I find atheism to be logical, yet on an emotional level, it leaves me wanting. This is but one path that the journey will take my friend. When you are a lifelong Christian (or believer, in general) it is very hard to let go of the fear, guilt and shame associated with abandoning your religion. I conveyed to her today, that the road will be hard, but in an odd way, worth it.

Ignorance is bliss.

Knowledge and believing in the here and now, and not in fantasies and fairy tales, should be seen as a positive. But, it is very daunting to leave a secure place of fantasy, for an insecure place of reality. I’ve known people who have left religion and identify as atheists, and they seem unscathed by their journeys, unless they are good at hiding their feelings? That could be.

My friend sounded relieved, but I told her, that ignorance is bliss.

When you go on believing lies, you don’t know they are lies, even if you have doubts about your beliefs. You just keep going on with your everyday life, praising Jesus and thinking that he will make everything right in your life. Because this is what you are taught, and to leave it, would be sinful…would be wrong. But, then one day…you realize that it isn’t true, and that you now have knowledge that can set you free. But that freedom comes with a price, and that price is discovering who you are, without religion telling you so. That is very hard, and if you have not gone through it, you will never know how arduous the journey is for ex-theists. My friend and I live in the United States and the year is 2015...and yet, she is afraid to tell a soul that she is an atheist. That she no longer believes in Christianity. How about that. How sad is that.

Ignorance is bliss.

My friend will have a hard road ahead of her…for she will lose friends, and her family will chastise her choice to depart from their truth. She will eventually not be able to carry on a façade, but instead she will wish to be free. But in the meantime, and there is always a meantime, she will struggle as I have to make sense of this life, without a religion telling me how to make sense of it.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS.

But so is freedom. :sunflower:

Peace be on you, your friend and all ignorants and learned ones.
It was quite a long call.
One wonders why people in these conditions do not try to find the real and unchanged parts of their faith. There are prayers and there are good morals, which can be practiced and one still get a relation with True God...... It is not necessary to always follow mob as the founders of religions never did.
Ignorance is a dark glass worn at night.
Jesus and others came to give true knowledge about relation with One God and with creation of that God.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I would say that the issue here is that you never had a proper understanding of Christianity to begin with and I'm not saying it's your fault, either. Many religious people don't understand their own religions either. When you start from an incorrect foundation, it is easy to proclaim it as lies when you read anti-religious writings or watch videos or whatever that "disprove" Christianity or what have you, when they themselves are attacking it from the same incorrect assumptions.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I understand Christianity for what it is. The fact that it's built on lies isn't my fault. :D

Being serious for a minute, I can't say for sure if it's lies, but I nor you nor anyone can verify its truth.
 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I understand Christianity for what it is. The fact that it's built on lies isn't my fault. :D

Being serious for a minute, I can't say for sure if it's lies, but I nor you nor anyone can verify its truth.
What "lies"? I have no idea what sort of Catholicism you were taught as a child.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I don't think this is the debate section, I just posted this to share. If you believe, that's cool SF.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Perhaps you should ask yourself what does your faith mean to you? If you lack compassion to see other views, I'm not sure what it's doing for you, honestly.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Perhaps you should ask yourself what does your faith mean to you? If you lack compassion to see other views, I'm not sure what it's doing for you, honestly.
No, I see your view. You come off as very angry at Catholicism but you're still drawn towards it. *shrug*
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
I don't do anything involving the RCC. Discussing it here, isn't being 'drawn' to it. If I were still going to mass, etc...then, yes...I would agree.

I'm not angry with it, but it teaches things not based on objective truths. You are welcome to believe anything you like, and I see the pull it has, because the pomp and circumstance, music, rituals, etc...cover up the fact that what it's teaching is not based on anything provable. But such is faith. I have no problem with any religion so long as followers of said religions don't pretend to know with certainty that what they follow is based on objective truth.
 
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