Ignorance on the Left hand path and magic. Avoiding the type of people that commit sick things.

[Sutekh]

They very much can. You may think that they shouldn't, but they can very easily.
Yes I'm sure most of us can agree that chopping up a living human for parts is a big no-no, but when you extend this condemnation to all forms of violence, sacrifice, and illegal activity (this includes drug use, mind you), you negate a good number of people, both following a LHP and not.

Thanks, I am starting to remember a few things back, my mind is normally fogged up a lot. But I do remember reading a book from an LHP author on performing a toad sacrifice. So I think you are right on many of it being integrated within the LHP. I guess it really comes down to my own dogma and beliefs. But thanks for making me have some flashbacks. I know my post may sound odd but thanks.

 

[Aštra’el]

Can you provide a good reason why animal or human sacrifice is necessary within a ritual setting?

Sacrificing a life might be perceived as an act of great devotion to one's God(s), or as a way of aligning one's self with certain sides of one's own human Nature... or humanity's collective human Nature. As such, I look at it as a method of generating mana for forces Above or Below or Within... one of many methods. Is that particular method of generating mana "necessary"? Well... does it have to be, else be excluded from one's practices? Should the act of sacrificing life be integrated into one's spiritual-religious system... adamantly avoided... embraced on occasion? I feel this all depends on the individual and their own subjective perspective and Weltanschauung.

 

[crossfire]

Thanks, I am starting to remember a few things back, my mind is normally fogged up a lot. But I do remember reading a book from an LHP author on performing a toad sacrifice. So I think you are right on many of it being integrated within the LHP. I guess it really comes down to my own dogma and beliefs. But thanks for making me have some flashbacks. I know my post may sound odd but thanks.

I thought it was Crowley, who was RHP, who sacrificed the toad?

 

[crossfire]

I've always associated animal sacrifice with RHP. But heck, your mileage may vary.

 

[Sutekh]

I thought it was Crowley, who was RHP, who sacrificed the toad?

I personally do not know as much on Aleister Crowley Iv'e only read a few of his essays and books. The person that I was planning on implying was Michael W. Ford who created the toad rite in Luciferian Witchcraft.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Can you provide a good reason why animal or human sacrifice is necessary within a ritual setting? If you take a life, you can't give it back. You don't need ritual to understand that.

Are you a vegetarian? If not, what's wrong with sacrificing an animal and then eating it? It's much more humane than industrialized slaughterhouses.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The attacks on albinistic people in some parts of Africa really have nothing to do with the LHP or Satanism. It's ignorant superstition. They sell those body parts on the black market to idiots who make folk "medicine" out of it, because they believe people with albinism are magical, basically. It's same with the stupid Chinese people (no, not all Chinese people, but the ones who do that crap) and other Asian cultures who do the folk "medicine" crap, which is helping to drive many species to extinction. It's just poverty and lack of education.

 

[crossfire]

Are you a vegetarian? If not, what's wrong with sacrificing an animal and then eating it? It's much more humane than industrialized slaughterhouses.

I was thinking more along the lines of holocaust. (Whole burn offerings.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I was thinking more along the lines of holocaust. (Whole burn offerings.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_(sacrifice)

Yeah, I don't support mass sacrifice or completely destroying the body, either. It's just a waste. Animal sacrifice is a big thing in Shaktism and at some festivals, hundreds of thousands of animals would be killed en masse. They've apparently stopped that now. I don't support that. But I don't see a problem with dedicating a goat, chicken, buffalo, etc. that you're going to eat anyway. It's a nice send-off for the animal.

 

[crossfire]

Yeah, I don't support mass sacrifice or completely destroying the body, either. It's just a waste. Animal sacrifice is a big thing in Shaktism and at some festivals, hundreds of thousands of animals would be killed en masse. They've apparently stopped that now. I don't support that. But I don't see a problem with dedicating a goat, chicken, buffalo, etc. that you're going to eat anyway. It's a nice send-off for the animal.

Killing the passions (Karpuradistotram) is a RHP thing, is it not? (I've thought of LHP as harnessing and transforming the passions, rather than killing them.)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Killing the passions (Karpuradistotram) is a RHP thing, is it not? (I've thought of LHP as harnessing and transforming the passions, rather than killing them.)

I'm not sure what it has to do with passions. Can you explain what you mean?

 

[crossfire]

I'm not sure what it has to do with passions. Can you explain what you mean?

Arishadvarga are the six passions of mind or desire: kama (lust), krodha (anger), lobh (greed), moha (attachment), mada or ahankar (pride) and matsarya (jealousy); the negative characteristics of which prevent man from attaining moksha or salvation.

-source-​

I have heard of six different animals being sacrificed to "kill" the passions, with a human being the one used to kill pride.

Within the Abrahamic setting, I've been told that whole burnt offerings represents "burning up" your animal nature--again, killing the passions--rather than harnessing them and transforming them/evolving them.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Keep that wrist-band issued by the sanitarium nice and shiny also.

Thank you

So it would seem neither of you know what the left hand path is. Interesting.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Arishadvarga are the six passions of mind or desire: kama (lust), krodha (anger), lobh (greed), moha (attachment), mada or ahankar (pride) and matsarya (jealousy); the negative characteristics of which prevent man from attaining moksha or salvation.

-source-​

I have heard of six different animals being sacrificed to "kill" the passions, with a human being the one used to kill pride.

Within the Abrahamic setting, I've been told that whole burnt offerings represents "burning up" your animal nature--again, killing the passions--rather than harnessing them and transforming them/evolving them.

Okay. Seems like more of a Vaishnava thing, not a Shakta thing. We don't have the concept of the Kali Yuga, as far as I know.

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Human sacrificed was legal in a temple about 10-13 kms from my home unt the Indo-Bangladesh war of 1971 or some year near to that. It's a very old Kali temple.
People who visited there tell stories of how previously, cattle and human bodies were sacrificed on the altar.
Some sects of Shaktism do practice animal sacrifice to this very day which for me is abhorrent and human sacrifice is a serious crime in India, Bali and Nepal.
Human sacrifice isn't simply For Black magic practitioners.

Ancient Mayans did it, many other cultures did it.
Taking the life of any innocent living being, mainly without its consent, except maybe for food, is unpleasant for me.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

If you need to kill things unnecessarily to get your boner on, then by all means do it. Erectile dysfunction is definitely a drag, but maybe you've found the cure?

What are you even talking about?

For one, I didn't even mention killing, so that's a reading fail on your part I guess.

For two, the context of what I did say flew right over your head, as it wouldn't have if you were familiar with the historical LHP. So I guess we could call that a comprehension fail on your part.

As for your weird insertion of 'erectile' nonsense..I won't even speculate why that might be on your mind, nor do I care.

 

[crossfire]

Okay. Seems like more of a Vaishnava thing, not a Shakta thing. We don't have the concept of the Kali Yuga, as far as I know.

See this verse 19 of the Hymn to Kali regarding the six sacrifices:

O DARK One, 1 wondrous and excelling in every way, 2 becomes the accomplishment, 3 of those worshippers 4 who living in this world 5 freely make offering to Thee in worship 6 of the greatly 7 satisfying flesh, together with hair and bone, 8 of cats, camels, sheep, 9 buffaloes, goats, and men. 10

<...>
(commentary follows associating each of the six passions)


'The flesh of' (Palalaṁ)

These animals represent the Six Enemies (Ripu) or Vices which are specially characteristic of the following animals: The goat stands for Lust (Kāma) 'as lustful as a goat (Chhāga),' the buffalo, Anger (Krodha) 'as angry as a buffalo (Mahiṣa),' the cat, Greed (Lobha) 'as greedy as a cat' (Mārjāra), the sheep, Delusion (Moha), 'as stupid as a sheep' (Meṣa) the camel, Envy (Mātsarya) 'as envious as a camel' (Uṣtra), Man, Pride (Mada) 'the Pride and arrogance of man' (Nara).


The Ānandākalpa says, 'Worship should be done by making offering of lust as goat, buffalo, and so forth '. Offering is made to Thee who art Cidrūpā of lust and other vices as articles of offering (Upacāra) in worship with the object of ridding oneself of them. Bṛhannīla-Tantra says, 'In the fire of Ātmā which flames with the ghee (Havih) of Dharma and Adharma, I ever offer in Homa by the Suṣuṁnā path, with the mind as ladle, all the functions of the senses—Svāhā.'​

 

[Onyx]

What are you even talking about?

For one, I didn't even mention killing, so that's a reading fail on your part I guess.

I deleted the comments, very sorry. Too much boozing yesterday.

 

[Sutekh]

I deleted the comments, very sorry. Too much boozing yesterday.

I personally prefer staying neutral instead of making enemies.

 

[Adramelek]

"Legitimate Satanism"? What is "legitimate Satanism"? How does engaging in violence, murder, human sacrifice, crime etc disqualify one from being LHP or a Satanist?

I am not advocating any of these things. I only wonder why one might believe that these acts can not "legitimately" be integrated into an "LHP" or "Satanic" spiritual-religious system.

Satanists and Setians don't worship the Lord of Darkness, at least not in the traditional sense, therefore we have no need or desire to sacrifice things to him. Acts of murder, human sacrifice, crime are nonsensical and simply are not aspects of Satanism nor especially the Setian religion.