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Ignorance on the Left hand path and magic. Avoiding the type of people that commit sick things.

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
One could engage in physical acts of violence and murder only at their own peril, however, in order to protect myself I would not engage them nor associate myself with them. I see no benefit in such acts, I'd rather use Magick to unleash my desire for wrath and vengeance. Which can and does work.

You believe you have your way of doing things. Just as I would not speak out against those methods, I would not speak out against those who prefer a more direct or physical approach when confronting and engaging their enemies.

My short answer is that it is very hard to Xeper in prison -- without freedom one cannot truly Be or Become. I'd rather use Magick to deal with an enemy.

In the grand scheme of things, prison is rarely a consequence of violence.

Satanists and Setians don't worship the Lord of Darkness, at least not in the traditional sense, therefore we have no need or desire to sacrifice things to him.
You believe you speak for all Satanists, then? All Satanists, of all forms of Satanism?

Acts of murder, human sacrifice, crime are nonsensical and simply are not aspects of Satanism nor especially the Setian religion.

You mean, you subjectively believe these things to be "nonsensical". These things may not be "aspects of Satanism" (at least, within the types of "Satanism" you seem to favor) but this would not mean that these things are objectively against all forms of Satanism, or that these things cannot somehow be successfully integrated into a "satanic" spiritual-religious system.


 
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crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Satanists and Setians don't worship the Lord of Darkness, at least not in the traditional sense, therefore we have no need or desire to sacrifice things to him. Acts of murder, human sacrifice, crime are nonsensical and simply are not aspects of Satanism nor especially the Setian religion.
Luciferians bow to no one in worship.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Those who worship anything other than one's Higher Self (theists) are not of the WLHP (Western Left Hand Path) this includes any and all forms of devil worshiping groups. These groups and individuals do not embrace the tenets of Satanism or Luciferianism (Setian philosophy has never gone in the human sacrifice direction). The WLHP embraces Life, we do not destroy it for any reason. Ritualism is grounded on psychodrama, a rite that includes the killing of a living thing does not appease some deity, you will not receive anything in return, what it does and ALL that it does is create a psychological paradigm that engages the ritualist deeply into the ritual.
 

crossfire

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Premium Member
You believe you speak for all Luciferians, then? All Luciferians, of all forms of Luciferianism?
I speak for myself, and I am empowered to speak for my Order. (You might want to check out the relatively recent mythos about Lucifer not bowing down in worship--although this isn't what the older mythos are about, the Luciferians I know embrace the not bowing down in worship to another.)
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I speak for myself, and I am empowered to speak for my Order. (You might want to check out the relatively recent mythos about Lucifer not bowing down in worship--although this isn't what the older mythos are about, the Luciferians I know embrace the not bowing down in worship to another.)

Then you should understand that you and "your Order" are not the only ones on Earth who consider themselves "Luciferian", and among those other Luciferians, some may indeed choose to bow in worship, for whatever reasons.


 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Then you should understand that you and "your order" are not the only ones on Earth who consider themselves "Luciferians", and among those other people, some may indeed choose to bow in worship, for whatever reasons.
I realize this.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Then you should understand that you and "your Order" are not the only ones on Earth who consider themselves "Luciferian", and among those other Luciferians, some may indeed choose to bow in worship, for whatever reasons.

Theistic Luciferianism is nonsense . . . first of all in mythos Lucifer refuses to bow to any deity, secondly the Western Left Hand Path is clearly about one's Higher Self / GodSelf, anything other than that is no longer the same Path.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Truth be told on that.[emoji1591]
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Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
Theistic Luciferianism is nonsense . . . first of all in mythos Lucifer refuses to bow to any deity, secondly the Western Left Hand Path is clearly about one's Higher Self / GodSelf, anything other than that is no longer the same Path.

What you would experience as "nonsense", another might experience as a beautiful and powerful spiritual-religious system, the embracing of which might help achieve a great many things desired.

 
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Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
See this verse 19 of the Hymn to Kali regarding the six sacrifices:
O DARK One, 1 wondrous and excelling in every way, 2 becomes the accomplishment, 3 of those worshippers 4 who living in this world 5 freely make offering to Thee in worship 6 of the greatly 7 satisfying flesh, together with hair and bone, 8 of cats, camels, sheep, 9 buffaloes, goats, and men. 10

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(commentary follows associating each of the six passions)


'The flesh of' (Palalaṁ)

These animals represent the Six Enemies (Ripu) or Vices which are specially characteristic of the following animals: The goat stands for Lust (Kāma) 'as lustful as a goat (Chhāga),' the buffalo, Anger (Krodha) 'as angry as a buffalo (Mahiṣa),' the cat, Greed (Lobha) 'as greedy as a cat' (Mārjāra), the sheep, Delusion (Moha), 'as stupid as a sheep' (Meṣa) the camel, Envy (Mātsarya) 'as envious as a camel' (Uṣtra), Man, Pride (Mada) 'the Pride and arrogance of man' (Nara).


The Ānandākalpa says, 'Worship should be done by making offering of lust as goat, buffalo, and so forth '. Offering is made to Thee who art Cidrūpā of lust and other vices as articles of offering (Upacāra) in worship with the object of ridding oneself of them. Bṛhannīla-Tantra says, 'In the fire of Ātmā which flames with the ghee (Havih) of Dharma and Adharma, I ever offer in Homa by the Suṣuṁnā path, with the mind as ladle, all the functions of the senses—Svāhā.'​
There's that, but you also have Kali's associations with criminality and human sacrifice, and Shaktism's generally positive view of pleasure and material success. In one view, there's no one more greedy than Kali, because She consumes universes. However, to me, the problem is when these things become obsessions, an end unto themselves, rather than a means. Using alcohol and drugs to attain an altered state of mind during meditation once in awhile is a lot different from being an alcoholic or a drug addict. After all, Kali is the Liberator and you should strive not to be chained to anything, since all things are impermanent. You have those same concepts in Buddhism.

Also, in Shaktism, especially the sort that I follow, there is no distinction made between the spiritual and material. It's all a point of perspective. It's strictly non-dual, since Devi is all and in all. She transcends dualities. At the end of the day, you have to make your own choices as for what is best in your life. If you want to pursue material greed, go for it. If you go out murdering people, that's on you. But you have to deal with the consequences of it. I'm sort of a nihilist, personally, because it's all the same in the end. Kali ends up devouring us all.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
There's that, but you also have Kali's associations with criminality and human sacrifice, and Shaktism's generally positive view of pleasure and material success. In one view, there's no one more greedy than Kali, because She consumes universes. However, to me, the problem is when these things become obsessions, an end unto themselves, rather than a means. Using alcohol and drugs to attain an altered state of mind during meditation once in awhile is a lot different from being an alcoholic or a drug addict. After all, Kali is the Liberator and you should strive not to be chained to anything, since all things are impermanent. You have those same concepts in Buddhism.

Also, in Shaktism, especially the sort that I follow, there is no distinction made between the spiritual and material. It's all a point of perspective. It's strictly non-dual, since Devi is all and in all. She transcends dualities. At the end of the day, you have to make your own choices as for what is best in your life. If you want to pursue material greed, go for it. If you go out murdering people, that's on you. But you have to deal with the consequences of it. I'm sort of a nihilist, personally, because it's all the same in the end. Kali ends up devouring us all.
Just so that you are aware of that aspect of your practice.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
What you would experience as "nonsense", another might experience as a beautiful and powerful spiritual-religious system, the embracing of which might help achieve a great many things desired.
I never said another person's experience was nonsense . . . I clearly explained how theistic Luciferianism is no longer on Western Left Hand Path and that it would be nonsense to embrace Lucifer in a theistic way of worship when the very tenets of Lucifer is against worship of a deity.
 

Aštra’el

Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth
I never said another person's experience was nonsense . . . I clearly explained how theistic Luciferianism is no longer on Western Left Hand Path and that it would be nonsense to embrace Lucifer in a theistic way of worship when the very tenets of Lucifer is against worship of a deity.

"Tenets of Lucifer"?

 
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