Illegals. Where do we draw a line on the law or should we?

[We Never Know]

One key difference here is that no human beings are harmed by removing the 10 commandments or a manger from a courthouse lawn.

The U.S. is a signatory to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Regardless of their immigration status, we are duty-bound to respect and honor their rights as human beings.

We are duty bound to take care of legal citizens which we aren't doing a very good job of.

 

[Shad]

I understand there will be kids involved but IMO that's the fault of the illegal parent(s). Where do we draw a line of bending the law, enforcing the law or overlooking the law?

Case by case. I can accept DREAMERS with no major criminal record but no funding for their parents as they would be profiting via a crime. I could get on board amnesty for those that have been in the US for 2 decades with no major criminal record but with a cut off date so people can not just wait around until they reach the two decade mark. So say no one after 99 or 09 for an example (not set in stone). Amnesty would be the consequences for the voter electing hacks over and over that let this issue spiral out of control.

False asylum claims result in a life-time ban for gaming the system and burdening it with said false claim.

If this was a state or school breaking the law over religion, people would be all over it. Point being breaking the law is breaking the law or have we came to picking and choosing the laws we break dependant upon what we think? Isn't illegal, illegal?

People have always picked what laws they follow and which they do not. Usually it involves minor offenses.

Cities prepare for showdown with Trump over ICE raids: You 'have to come through us'

Fed trumps (pun) city especially for immigration which is under POTUS. Arrest officials for aiding and abetting

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Put it this way, give someone free medical, free dental, free housing, free food, a monthly allowance, etc,,, why would they want to work?

Did you miss the part I said they are working? The problem is Americans are working, but they aren't working agriculture. Illegal immigrants will and are, and yet that doesn't fill the need and lots of crops still go unharvested.

 

[Stevicus]

We are duty bound to take care of legal citizens which we aren't doing a very good job of.

I agree. We need to do a much better job in that department.

 

[We Never Know]

Did you miss the part I said they are working? The problem is Americans are working, but they aren't working agriculture. Illegal immigrants will and are, and yet that doesn't fill the need and lots of crops still go unharvested.

You must have Over looked the ones that set home healthy, and happy because the don't have to do anything but get monthly benefits.

"In the US roughly 21.3% of Americans (~68 million people) receive some sort means-tested government assistance. The US spends about $170 billion on corporate welfare programs (subsidies for corporations), and roughly $212 billion on individual welfare programs"

21%! Really?

 

[Shad]

Did you miss the part I said they are working? The problem is Americans are working, but they aren't working agriculture. Illegal immigrants will and are, and yet that doesn't fill the need and lots of crops still go unharvested.

Heard of a work visa?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I understand there will be kids involved but IMO that's the fault of the illegal parent(s).

That's the thing I don't think you understand. You guys put so much emphasis on the people that you say little about the corporations that hire illegals. If you're trying to change the culture of illegal immigration we need to change the culture of the people. If Americans are willing to pay higher food prices and taxes then by all means punish the businesses that thrive off illegal immigration. Once that happens unionize these farming companies, pay Americans $15 an hour not to mention benefits. Then prepare for inflation and watch things go up in cost. then I want to see what Americans complain about then.

 

[We Never Know]

That's the thing I don't think you understand. You guys put so much emphasis on the people that you say little about the corporations that hire illegals. If you're trying to change the culture of illegal immigration we need to change the culture of the people. If Americans are willing to pay higher food prices and taxes then by all means punish the businesses that thrive off illegal immigration. Once that happens unionize these farming companies, pay Americans $15 an hour not to mention benefits. Then prepare for inflation and watch things go up in cost. then I want to see what Americans complain about then.

Cut off welfare and make people work to survive. It used to be that way.

 

[We Never Know]

That's the thing I don't think you understand. You guys put so much emphasis on the people that you say little about the corporations that hire illegals. If you're trying to change the culture of illegal immigration we need to change the culture of the people. If Americans are willing to pay higher food prices and taxes then by all means punish the businesses that thrive off illegal immigration. Once that happens unionize these farming companies, pay Americans $15 an hour not to mention benefits. Then prepare for inflation and watch things go up in cost. then I want to see what Americans complain about then.

Oh and also, kids used to play outside.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Heard of a work visa?

They get those. Some over stay them. It still leaves us in a predicament.

 

[Shad]

They get those. Some over stay them. It still leaves us in a predicament.

Renew it instead of breaking the law then giving a sob story.

 

[We Never Know]

They get those. Some over stay them. It still leaves us in a predicament.

10 years ago before I retired I was paying in over $25k a year in taxes. My friends daughter, who was healthy, could work, but never worked, popped out three kids with three different dad's, was given free housing, free medical, free dental, free food, free monthly cash allowance, free etc plus got back $11k at tax time every year without paying in. You don't see a problem with that?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Renew it instead of breaking the law then giving a sob story.

Many of them try, and for one reason or another, red tape gets in the way, things get expired, and it becomes easier to just keep a low profile.

 

[Shad]

That's the thing I don't think you understand. You guys put so much emphasis on the people that you say little about the corporations that hire illegals. If you're trying to change the culture of illegal immigration we need to change the culture of the people. If Americans are willing to pay higher food prices and taxes then by all means punish the businesses that thrive off illegal immigration. Once that happens unionize these farming companies, pay Americans $15 an hour not to mention benefits. Then prepare for inflation and watch things go up in cost. then I want to see what Americans complain about then.

You are skipping over a point about min wage as all worker as subject to it not merely citizens. Ergo wages go to 15/hr the same problem you post above will happen. You can not have cheap labour and min wage.

 

[Shad]

Many of them try, and for one reason or another, red tape gets in the way, things get expired, and it becomes easier to just keep a low profile.

Reform the system instead of breaking it.

 

[We Never Know]

Renew it instead of breaking the law then giving a sob story.

He is correct. The highest number of illegals are visa over stays. There needs to be a fix for that. How to fix it is the problem.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

10 years ago before I retired I was paying in over $25k a year in taxes. My friends daughter, who was healthy, could work, but never worked, popped out three kids with three different dad's, was given free housing, free medical, free dental, free food, free monthly cash allowance, free etc plus got back $11k at tax time every year without paying in. You don't see a problem with that?

Actually, no, because in my mind punishing children is inexcusable. And what is a "free etc?" Is this a real experience or are you pulling things out of the air?

 

[Shad]

He is correct. The highest number of illegal are visa over stays. There needs to be a fix for that. How to fix it is the problem.

It is an assumption that all overstays are solely the result of the system instead of choice of the individual. Especially those that overstay for years. Ergo they have no intention of reapplying.

More funding for the department would be a start but Dems will never to that with Trump in office.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Reform the system instead of breaking it.

A wall seems to be the only thing people are interested in. Real, meaningful, effective change isn't easy, it won't be easy, and it will be a long process. Far too many Americans are only worried about today and what will work for now, regardless of it will work tomorrow.

 

[We Never Know]

Actually, no, because in my mind punishing children is inexcusable. And what is a "free etc?" Is this a real experience or are you pulling things out of the air?

They get free everything. Besides what I mentioned, free cell phones, free rides to doctor and dental appointments which are free. Free what ever they need. Do some research.