Illegals. Where do we draw a line on the law or should we?

[We Never Know]

Stupid idea

Sure it is. Just give everyone what they want for free. What could go wrong?

 

[Augustus]

If the U.S. would quit giving out free everything, to everyone, they wouldn't flock here by the droves.

99% of illegals go to work, that's sort of the point. They don't go to America to live the dream of getting food stamps, they go to work.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

You are skipping over a point about min wage as all worker as subject to it not merely citizens. Ergo wages go to 15/hr the same problem you post above will happen. You can not have cheap labour and min wage.

Which is why I said higher costs could offset that. I'm not ignorant enough to think with the rise of minimum wage cost and state taxes wont go up. Which is why I really dont think even with the increase in minimum wage people will have a living wage. But I'm more about holding companies accountable that influence the flow of illegal immigration.

 

[We Never Know]

The machines could be collectively owned by society as a whole.

Really. And the corporations that paid to develop them and produce them would share the profit? Not in America.

 

[sooda]

Some people can not work thus need those systems. However for slackers I fully support cutting them off. For example parents that continue to pop out children while on welfare. Take the children, kick the parents off their meal ticket.

I know someone that just breeds and sucks up welfare. Started with 1 child, now she has 3. Hasn't worked in a decade. Can't figure out her sexual habits is an issue. Her children have a stupid mother which does not bode well for their future as their parental figure is an adult child.

Didn't you say you were a lawyer?

 

[We Never Know]

They should clean up immigration law and work on foreign worker visas.

Is illegal illegal?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Yep.. Go after the employers like Trump who hire illegals.

Right. God after the people selling food on the sidewalks, the grasscutters, the housekeepers, the nannys etc. If society really wants to curb illegal immigration take away opportunities for them and give it to Americans. that means living wage, benefits, corporate accountability, and allow unions to formalize. You see? Americans don't want that though. We want what we want and complain at the same time.

 

[Shad]

Didn't you say you were a lawyer?

Nope. I have more respect for myself than that!

 

[We Never Know]

99% of illegals go to work, that's sort of the point. They don't go to America to live the dream of getting food stamps, they go to work.

I agree. And the more illegal working, the more Americans that go on welfare because they can't get a job or don't want to work.

 

[sooda]

Nope. I have more respect for myself than that!

I was wondering about your idea of "severing parental rights".

 

[We Never Know]

Right. God after the people selling food on the sidewalks, the grasscutters, the housekeepers, the nannys etc. If society really wants to curb illegal immigration take away opportunities for them and give it to Americans. that means living wage, benefits, corporate accountability, and allow unions to formalize. You see? Americans don't want that though. We want what we want and complain at the same time.

And want it for free

 

[Stevicus]

This involves far more issues than merely jobs and welfare. Family, offspring, population control and handling death comes to mind. Just to go with death for an example. People will need to look at death differently as many will consume massive resources for just 1 day, week, month, etc. Resources are finite.

Well, as you say, population control is an issue that would come up as well. A smaller population would consume fewer resources.

You need to look at some Sci-fi when it comes to this sort of thing. Dune for example. If the systems are too interconnected a good hacker could destroy civilization

I suppose we could be headed in that direction with the military using unmanned drones and other weapons. A hacker could get into those, I suppose. Movies like Colossus, The Terminator series, and Wargames show that turning over control of weapons systems to computers probably isn't a good idea.

The Matrix series prequel described a society in which humans really were living in the lap of luxury, while armies of robots and machines did all the toiling. But they were abused like slaves, and their AI eventually became advanced enough to be aware and sentient. So, they started fighting back, which led to an all-out war between humans and machines.

But that was a worst-case scenario. All we have to do is be nice to them, and it should work out.

 

[Shad]

Which is why I said higher costs could offset that. I'm not ignorant enough to think with the rise of minimum wage cost and state taxes wont go up. Which is why I really dont think even with the increase in minimum wage people will have a living wage. But I'm more about holding companies accountable that influence the flow of illegal immigration.

I agree that companies need to be the target. More so I would say the priority target as those companies are enablers.

 

[We Never Know]

I was wondering about your idea of "severing parental rights".

I'm going to ask this until you answer it.

Is illegal illegal?

 

[We Never Know]

What does that have to do with my position regarding getting rid of the problem of illegal immigration. If you take away the opportunities for people to illegally migrate here by holding companies accountable you delete half the problem.

I was just simply pointing out kids don't play outside, have less physical activity, less education, etc and in the end they become a welfare burden.

 

[Shad]

Well, as you say, population control is an issue that would come up as well. A smaller population would consume fewer resources.

Yup. A problem is such control at a government level is not favourable to those in the West.

I suppose we could be headed in that direction with the military using unmanned drones and other weapons. A hacker could get into those, I suppose. Movies like Colossus, The Terminator series, and Wargames show that turning over control of weapons systems to computers probably isn't a good idea.

Yup. It depends on interconnected the system are. Hacking a tank vs a battalion.

The Matrix

series prequel described a society in which humans really were living in the lap of luxury, while armies of robots and machines did all the toiling. But they were abused like slaves, and their AI eventually became advanced enough to be aware and sentient. So, they started fighting back, which led to an all-out war between humans and machines.

Robots are the replace for slavery and the worker in my view. Again it goes back to interconnection and the level of an AI. Some tasks are menial thus do not require a great AI but say a system that replaces a doctor will requires something more complex.

But that was a worst-case scenario. All we have to do is be nice to them, and it should work out.

Problem is AI is guided by pure logic not emotions. Hence the whole Skynet part in the movies.

 

[We Never Know]

Which is why I said higher costs could offset that. I'm not ignorant enough to think with the rise of minimum wage cost and state taxes wont go up. Which is why I really dont think even with the increase in minimum wage people will have a living wage. But I'm more about holding companies accountable that influence the flow of illegal immigration.

Minimum wage varies per area. Minimum wage is a problem because many that work for minimum wage can't survive on it. The have to also get assistance to survive.
Why should our government have to pay welfare to working Americans because they can't earn a living wage?

 

[We Never Know]

Living Wage Calculator

Plug in your state, county/town and you will see minimum wage is well below living wage. Greed runs America and the government forks out billions to cover the difference while the corporations and top people get richer and richer.

 

[We Never Know]

What's the U.S. national debt? $22.4 trillion and growing at about $2.3 million per minute.

Let's give out more free money, housing, medical, dental, food, etc. to anyone and everyone. Leave the problem to our kids and grandkids. It's all good right?

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

 

[Shad]

I was wondering about your idea of "severing parental rights".

In general or specifically in relation to welfare and other social programs

*sorry for the delay, took my dogs out for the last walk of the night*