Illegals. Where do we draw a line on the law or should we?

[Stevicus]

Really. And the corporations that paid to develop them and produce them would share the profit? Not in America.

Who says the corporations would pay for them?

 

[We Never Know]

Who says the corporations would pay for them?

Ok. Who would pay for them?

 

[Stevicus]

Ok. Who would pay for them?

The government.

 

[We Never Know]

The U.S. debt has grown over $21,983,000,000,000 in
the last 90 years.(was $17 billion in 1929).
See How the U.S. Debt Tripled Since 9/11

Does it not bother anyone that the US debt has went up at an average of $244.4 million every year for the last 90 years?

But hey, the U.S. has the most..
-millionaires at 17,350,000(41% of the world total)

-billionaires at 705(32% of the world total).

 

[Shad]

The U.S. debt has grown over $21,983,000,000,000 in
the last 90 years.(was $17 billion in 1929).
See How the U.S. Debt Tripled Since 9/11

Does it not bother anyone the the US debt has went up at an average of $244.4 million every year for the last 90 years?

But hey, the U.S. has the most..
-millionaires at 17,350,000
-billionaires at 705

The debt is an issue that is ignored when the agenda dictate it is to be ignored. War for example.

 

[We Never Know]

The government.

Sure just more free stuff. Every one should get in line

 

[We Never Know]

The debt is an issue that is ignored when the agenda dictate it is to be ignored. War for example.

I agree. War and preparing for war is costly, some in the trillions.

So is welfare...$668 billion dollars per year on 126 different welfare programs.

 

[We Never Know]

Edit to post..

Let's just leave the debt with our children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc. We are leaving the Americans of the future with a debt problem that can't be fixed not to mention a global problem we aren't too worried about fixing(global warming).

-We live in a world where illegal only matters by opinion, not by law.
-Where sexual preference is confusing, attacked and criticized
-Where sexual gender is confusing, attacked and criticized
-Where belief or lack of belief is attacked and criticized
-Where arguing about a god that has no evidence takes front seat to reality
-Where it all just keeps getting worse

But who cares! We won't be around right? That seems to be the thought of the day. Very sad.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Edit again...
If John Doe believes in god, that's his prerogative. Why should I waste hours, days, weeks, even years arguing about what he believes in? It's pretty pointless.
Unless what he does has an adverse affect on my life, who cares. Live and let live. We need to quit wasting time on pointless things and use our time to make the world better for everyone instead of trying to make the world as we personally want it to be. (Yes I know some will say it will be better without religion and you are missing the point).

 

[Shad]

I agree. War and preparing for war is costly, some in the trillions.

So is welfare...$668 billion dollars per year on 126 different welfare programs.

Point was people will ignore it when they think an issue is a priority.War is just an example. Welfare is seen as a priority by many akin to war situations

People won't be voting to cut back funding for programs they use. They will let a nation run itself into the ground before giving up entitlements and benefits.

 

[Stevicus]

Sure just more free stuff. Every one should get in line

Well, it wouldn't really matter at that point. Nobody would have to work, so either we'd kill off the human race for being useless, or we'd supply them with the necessities of life. I'd like to think that the more humane choice is preferable, but then again, humans have been known to be pretty ruthless.

So, I guess it could go either way.

 

[Shad]

Well, it wouldn't really matter at that point. Nobody would have to work, so either we'd kill off the human race for being useless, or we'd supply them with the necessities of life. I'd like to think that the more humane choice is preferable, but then again, humans have been known to be pretty ruthless.

So, I guess it could go either way.

Depending on technology, and possible new developments in physics, space exploration and colonization could provide an "out" for those do not want a life-style that is dependent on robot and AI. At the very least Sol system colonization.

 

[We Never Know]

Depending on technology, and possible new developments in physics, space exploration and colonization could provide an "out" for those do not want a life-style that is dependent on robot and AI. At the very least Sol system colonization.

Sure thing.... But what's on Mars? AI and robotics? Yep I believe so.

And AI and robotics will be the main thing on Mars even if humans actually try to live there.

 

[Curious George]

I understand there will be kids involved but IMO that's the fault of the illegal parent(s). Where do we draw a line of bending the law, enforcing the law or overlooking the law?

I appreciate that you are looking for a bright line rule but unfortunately not all illegals are the same.

If this was a state or school breaking the law over religion, people would be all over it. Point being breaking the law is breaking the law or have we came to picking and choosing the laws we break dependant upon what we think? Isn't illegal, illegal?

Breaking the law is not the same in all cases. The question "isn't illegal, illegal?" fails to take into account the various dimensions of any actual case.

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Cities prepare for showdown with Trump over ICE raids: You 'have to come through us'

"In Denver, Mayor Michael Hancock said city police officers would avoid helping ICE agents but said city human service workers were on alert to assist any minor children left behind if their parents are arrested.

In many cases, immigrants who lack legal permission to remain in the United States have minor children who are U.S. citizens. That puts officials in liberal cities like Denver or San Francisco in the tough position of opposing the ICE raids themselves but still having to manage the consequences."

Cities prepare for showdown with Trump over ICE raids: You 'have to come through us'

Anchor children represent a real issue that needs addressing. I would hope no one here would like to deny citizens rights.

 

[We Never Know]

I appreciate that you are looking for a bright line rule but unfortunately not all illegals are the same.

Breaking the law is not the same in all cases. The question "isn't illegal, illegal?" fails to take into account the various dimensions of any actual case.

Anchor children represent a real issue that needs addressing. I would hope no one here would like to deny citizens rights.

If the parents are illegally here, are the children actually legal?

 

[Curious George]

If the parents are illegally here, are the children actually legal?

Children born in the U.S. are citizens of the U.S. so if you are discussing children born in the u.s. then yes, children born in the U.S. are citizens regardless of their parents citizenship.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I agree that companies need to be the target. More so I would say the priority target as those companies are enablers.

Right which is the ultimately problem with enabling illegal immigration. It's hard to separate people who are seeking asylum and who are coming here looking for work. Both want the same thing but there other also wants to reap the rewards of a broken system, the other just wants to survive.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I was just simply pointing out kids don't play outside, have less physical activity, less education, etc and in the end they become a welfare burden.

Ok.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

The root of the problem seems to be the country in which immigrants come from. Apply pressure on them to clean up their act, corruptions, and monopolizations first and foremost. Heck, even work with them to establish reasonable living quarters and productive agricultural work demands in areas for those capable of working.

Establish laws for maximum amount of children allowed based upon income/poverty level in both countries.

Those already in the US, or have been for awhile with no criminal record that aren’t dependent on the welfare system, assist in making them full-time US citizens, getting them established. Those not, hold them in a reasonable detention until the above is established of reasonable living quarters and any productive work becomes available in their own country to prevent deporting them with nothing and no means to get by. I’m also sure there can be certain areas in the US that can be set up where many thousands can be productive in agriculture, with the building of reasonable living quarters. Set up reasonable rent payments, etc. to get money back from establishing these.

If there is anything shady going on in government or those in positions of power with drug inflow into the country, etc.... then not even a wall will prevent that. That stuff will get in one way or another. It is also absurd to think that with all of the technology and people out of work that a sound, adequate, and secure border could not be set up.

The governments are a joke to begin with and probably enjoy all of the strife among the regular people, as they’ll never be affected by any of this. Meanwhile, the people all salivate over them and argue with each other over everything.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

If the government really wanted to do something about welfare, they would. It wouldn’t be that difficult. Must like the dependency.

As others have already said here, there are so many people that are fully capable of working yet have numerous kids with different fathers and get everything for free. Their entire lives. There easily can be something done about this, but never is. So the dependency being enjoyed for some reason is my best guess.

I’ll never forget hearing a lady complaining at a store I was at to another about how she’s supposed to feed her 8 kids when her food assistance got cut down from $800 to $600 a month.

Those incapable and in need are a different story.

 

[sooda]

Oh. So sneak over the border illegally, knock somebody up or get knocked up and breaking the law by being an illegal should be over looked?

Read U.S. citizenship law.