Illegals. Where do we draw a line on the law or should we?

[PureX]

The "law" is not God. Nor are the law enforcers.

If someone is here illegally, we need to ask ourselves if they are contributing to the well being of our country. If so, then make them citizens. We also need to ask ourselves what will happen to them if we deport them back into deep violence and poverty; because our doing so will make us complicit in that result. If we cannot in good conscience deport people into violence and poverty, then we need to find another way of dealing with their being here illegally. Is there some other country that actually wants them? If not, can we help them to become productive citizens, here?

At the border, I think we should do what other intelligent nations do: we should determine the likelihood of an applicant for citizenship being an asset to our society: can they speak, read, and write, our language? Do they have any education or job skills they can use to stay employed? Are they young, healthy, and willing to learn and work? Do they have any criminal history? The object being to avoid economic parasitism, but enable economic productivity.

It's not rocket science, but it does require a bit of common sense, compassion, and reasoning. Things that we Americans seem to have lost almost entirely, in relation to this issue.

 

[David1967]

What would you do about the small children who are US citizens?

Send them home with their parents. Let them return when they are adults.

 

[80s fashion girl]

Illegals who are bringing their children across the border are the one's responsible for putting their children in harm's way. Why illegals are coming here is not the U.S. government's problem to fix. It's also not lack of compassion, but reality.

People who don't mind the illegals coming here: how many of them are you willing to work for to pay for their support?

 

[sooda]

Send them home with their parents. Let them return when they are adults.

When they are 21? That's a solution for the long term.. In the short term fine the employers who HIRE illegals..

 

[sooda]

Illegals who are bringing their children across the border are the one's responsible for putting their children in harm's way. Why illegals are coming here is not the U.S. government's problem to fix. It's also not lack of compassion, but reality.

People who don't mind the illegals coming here: how many of them are you willing to work for to pay for their support?

You don't know much about US citizenship or immigration, do you?

Trump and the GOP can readily solve the illegal immigrant problem by fining US employers who hire them.. like Trump.

This is all high farce.

 

[Shad]

Sure thing.... But what's on Mars? AI and robotics? Yep I believe so.

And AI and robotics will be the main thing on Mars even if humans actually try to live there.

I was talking about the lifestyle Sooda posted.

 

[Shad]

Right which is the ultimately problem with enabling illegal immigration. It's hard to separate people who are seeking asylum and who are coming here looking for work.

People that follow the system vs people that don't. Not that hard as a first filter.

 

[columbus]

If the parents are illegally here, are the children actually legal?

Children born in the U.S. are citizens of the U.S. so if you are discussing children born in the u.s. then yes, children born in the U.S. are citizens regardless of their parents citizenship.

In other words,
Does @We Never Know understand that legal means legal?
Tom

 

[Shad]

The root of the problem seems to be the country in which immigrants come from. Apply pressure on them to clean up their act, corruptions, and monopolizations first and foremost. Heck, even work with them to establish reasonable living quarters and productive agricultural work demands in areas for those capable of working.

Won't happen as many of the people supporting illegals do not support intervention. Those nations have had foreign aid for decades. Failed states are failed states.

 

[sooda]

I was talking about the lifestyle Sooda posted.

What lifestyle?

 

[Shad]

What lifestyle?

Robots and AI doing all the work while humans do nothing but live in luxury.

 

[80s fashion girl]

You don't know much about US citizenship or immigration, do you?

Argumentum ad hominem

 

[sooda]

Argumentum ad hominem

You afraid of the rest of my post? There is no need for the drama or a wall or putting children in cages ... Just FINE the employers who hire illegals.

 

[columbus]

Won't happen as many of the people supporting illegals do not support intervention. Those nations have had foreign aid for decades. Failed states are failed states.

Foreign Aid?
Are you talking about supplying weapons to Nicaraguan terrorists? Chemical weapons to Iraq?
What foreign aid are you talking about?
Tom

 

[columbus]

You afraid of the rest of my post? There is no need for the drama or a wall or putting children in cages ... Just FINE the employers who hire illegals.

Wal-Mart and Manpower and such won't allow that sort of immigration reform.
Tom

 

[sooda]

Wal-Mart and Manpower and such won't allow that sort of immigration reform.
Tom

WalMart hires illegals? We know Trump properties does. If they don't fine employers, the rest is drama, expense and a huge waste of time.

 

[Shad]

Foreign Aid?
Are you talking about supplying weapons to Nicaraguan terrorists? Chemical weapons to Iraq?
What foreign aid are you talking about?
Tom

As per the 2016 and 17 budgets 270 million USD was assigned to the Northern Triangle. In 2019 it was 1 billion.

 

[Uncommon Sense]

Won't happen as many of the people supporting illegals do not support intervention. Those nations have had foreign aid for decades. Failed states are failed states.

Agreed. Unrealistic.

 

[columbus]

WalMart hires illegals? We know Trump properties does. If they don't fine employers, the rest is drama, expense and a huge waste of time.

Yeah, of course they do.
But more to the point, they make huge profits by keeping labor costs down and consumption high.
It doesn't matter to their profits if labor costs are low because other people hire the cheap, undocumented, workers. Labor costs remain low.
And those low income people keep shopping at Wal-Mart, because they can get more stuff from a gigantic outfit that imports cheap stuff from overseas.
Net result? Wal-Mart makes tons of money and can buy politicians who will block immigration reform, and so the USA doesn't have it.
Tom

 

[Shad]

Oh. So sneak over the border illegally, knock somebody up or get knocked up and breaking the law by being an illegal should be over looked?

That has been the interpretation of 14th amendment for over a century. It was created so that ex-slaves (post civil war) became citizens instead of aliens