Dunemeister
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That doesn't mean they were perfect.
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Illness/disability the result of 'sin'?
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That doesn't mean they were perfect.
Man of Faith
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Please tell me what would be more perfect than man living in harmony with God, no death, disease or pain?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
You don't define perfection, God does.
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Who says there was no death, disease, or pain?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
That came after sin.
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
We should probably take this internal debate to another thread. Would you agree with my post #55?
How do you know?
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
So why is God leaving gene-altering fruit lying around the Garden?
idea
Question Everything
after this life, we will once again be spirit - then after a time of judgement / learning / decisions - we will once again be united with a body, only this time it will be a perfect body, and we will be stuck in it for eternity... our current body is the trial-and-error learning model... sort of like giving a junker car to a teenager while they are learning how to drive, we are learning how to drive. by the time we get our next body, hopefully we will know what we are doing, will not make the same mistakes over again...
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians15:40)
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians15:44 - 54)
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
...
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
different spirits require different experiences. Some spirits are able to learn things very quickly.
idea
Question Everything
because our first parents were unable to produce offspring in their perfect form....
Jesus is the "only" begotten - the only one - and They needed a mortal handmaid in order to have him. the reason they needed a handmaid, is because They do not beget children - they adopt them.
(New Testament | Romans8:15)
...the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
that is what baptism is all about - born again - it is where we are born to Heavenly Parents. imo - I don't think They like to have children who are unable to choose them - only those who are old enough/understand enough... They will not force anyone into a body when spirits have no idea what they are getting themselves into, they want everyone to have experiences, and make an informed choice...
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
I dont see the problem
Neither do I believe the creation myth.
God Created the universe, however most, if not all the life evolved.
For what ever reason Evil and good are endemic.
That may be so, but it can have no religious relevance for you.
I understand the concept but as it is a fictional idea it has no real meaning in reality.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
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Question Everything
I think Eden was in a celestial sphere - that when Adam/Eve ate the fruit, they joined mortality...
accounts such as this:
(Old Testament | 2 Kings 6:16 - 17)
16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
we are surrounded by spiritual beings... I think Adam and Eve came from this sphere...
when they ate the fruit, their eyes were opened, they realized they had bodies, wanted cloths etc. etc. God sais "where are you?" as if they had passed into another plane of existence...
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Question Everything
God is in the process of transforming chaos into perfection. God is cleaning up a mess He did not create...
see:
you don't get something from nothing...
First law of thermodynamics for an open system - by Jamie Turner - Helium
God is transforming what eternally exists:
Did God create out of nothing - by Jamie Turner - Helium
PolyHedral
Superabacus Mystic
He's God. "Transforming" doesn't make sense when you can create instantaneously.
Not perfect, since part of the purpose of life is to reproduce.
Broken analogy. God is perfectly capable of making driving an innate skill, with no need to learn it.
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Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
In all fairness, I don't think that's how it works in LDS theology.
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Well, the CLDS is known for its creative exegesis. No disappointment on that score.
Thesavorofpan
Is not going to save you.
I'm finding it hard to understand what exactly you doubt. Do you doubt the first part of my statement or the second part?
Both because I don't think god had any input
Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Based on the replies you have received thus far, are you satisfied that although some Christians may believe what you suggest, it's not necessary to believe this as a Christian? Indeed, that this belief is very likely a misunderstanding of key elements of the Christian tradition?