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I'm a Hindu that believes in Jesus

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Reggie Miller said:
Satan loves all faiths save the true one. He uses other faiths to deceive us and lead us astray of Jesus Christ, the way, the truth and the life.
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"Beliefs" and "facts" are not synonymous terms, and it seems that you are conflating the two.

The concept that one is supposedly "saved" by just having a politically-correct belief about one man makes so little sense when one looks at it objectively, plus that never was prophesied in Torah or Tanach that taught that true belief in God must involve moral actions ("mitzvot").

Jesus was born and raised as a Jew, living in one quite small area of the world in one very short segment in time, so did you ever stop and think about the billions of people worldwide who never knew about Jesus and why is it that God would supposedly not send them any such "messianic" figure? Do you think he only cared about us Jews and the relatively small number of Gentiles that met or heard about him?
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Reggie Miller said:
to deceive us and lead us astray of Jesus Christ, the way, the truth and the life.
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What does that mean?

Which of these two people have gone astray. Let's put it in the context of Matthew 25:44-45.

The man who knows nothing of Jesus but stops to help a guy whose car broke down, without giving it a thought.

The man who claims to be saved and "accepted Jesus", but keeps on going in spite of the guy being stuck on the road.
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I think this thread has been educational. Many Hindus, when they say they believe in Jesus, often have no idea what that means. Thanks to Reggie Miller, who has simply been expressing his belief system, which he has every right to do, perhaps has shown or demonstrated, what that means, better than any Hindu like me could ever have done. After all, I know nothing about it at all. My thanks to Reggie for helping clarify the matter.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Vinayaka said:
I think this thread has been educational. Many Hindus, when they say they believe in Jesus, often have no idea what that means. Thanks to Reggie Miller, who has simply been expressing his belief system, which he has every right to do, perhaps has shown or demonstrated, what that means, better than any Hindu like me could ever have done. After all, I know nothing about it at all. My thanks to Reggie for helping clarify the matter.
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And I've mentioned it to you and some other Hindus previously, and that is the deep respect that I have for the openness found within the Hindu faith. My main two mentors have been Joseph Campbell, probably the world's foremost expert on religion who converted to Hinduism a couple of decades before his death, and a relatively unknown guy by the name of Mohandas K. Gandhi. Maybe you're heard of him? ;)

Since I've mentioned both, I'll try and fine time tomorrow to get a bit into just how much both of these men influenced me over the last several decades in ways that I never could have anticipated, and maybe some others here may find their advice also useful.
 
Vinayaka

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Jainarayan said:
Unfortunately the same can be said of many Christians. 'Tis sad but true.
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I wouldn't know. Basically I've had the good karma to not have the opportunity to go there. Fishing at the river, or playing ice hockey on our home-made rink, thanks to my fun-loving atheist father, made it that way. Took a long time before I had any idea, and by the time that did happen, I had a brain to think for myself. Now I just feel sorry for the people like you who had to sort through the mess, and I have no idea why people with a reasonably solid faith system like Hinduism would enter that foray ... intentionally. Maybe they're just naive, and certainly that is the case in many parts of India. Something like the glory days of Valium, a godsend for all kinds of things at the time, only later for people to come to grips with the harsh realities of chemical addiction.
 
Jainarayan

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
Vinayaka said:
Now I just feel sorry for the people like you who had to sort through the mess, and I have no idea why people with a reasonably solid faith system like Hinduism would enter that foray ... intentionally. Maybe they're just naive, and certainly that is the case in many parts of India.
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Yeah, it took a long time to wade through it. I too feel sorry for thise who are still terrified of burning for eternity. The funny thing is that the old Catholics and Orthodox: Italians, Irish, Hispanics, Greeks of my grandparents' generations never overthought it like is done today. This seems to be a largely American phenomenon.

They went to church they said their prayers, they said the rosary, they did what was the equivalent of their dharma. But they never judged other people or wanted to control lives. Maybe they gossiped but that was about it.

All of this new "born again" and "I'm saved" stuff is recent, it's only a few decades old and it's blooming like a poison mushroom. The Catholic Church is falling prey to it. It started when the Latin Mass was dropped. The Orthodox Church is not affected to any appreciable degree, because its rituals and traditions are largely unchanged for 1,500 years.

I don't think naive is the right word. I think bribed and blackmailed is. The same thing happened to all pre-Christian cultures, especially European like the Celtic and Germanic peoples.

Suffice to say, in my opinion American Christianity is in a very sorry spiritual state. If Jesus ever existed and died, he'd be spinning in his grave like a rotisserie chicken.
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
Jainarayan said:
What does that mean?

Which of these two people have gone astray. Let's put it in the context of Matthew 25:44-45.

The man who knows nothing of Jesus but stops to help a guy whose car broke down, without giving it a thought.

The man who claims to be saved and "accepted Jesus", but keeps on going in spite of the guy being stuck on the road.
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Not applicable. The Hindus on here know all about Jesus.
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
metis said:
"Beliefs" and "facts" are not synonymous terms, and it seems that you are conflating the two.

The concept that one is supposedly "saved" by just having a politically-correct belief about one man makes so little sense when one looks at it objectively, plus that never was prophesied in Torah or Tanach that taught that true belief in God must involve moral actions ("mitzvot").

Jesus was born and raised as a Jew, living in one quite small area of the world in one very short segment in time, so did you ever stop and think about the billions of people worldwide who never knew about Jesus and why is it that God would supposedly not send them any such "messianic" figure? Do you think he only cared about us Jews and the relatively small number of Gentiles that met or heard about him?
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You're deflecting.
 
Reggie Miller

Reggie Miller

Well-Known Member
Jainarayan said:
Yeah, it took a long time to wade through it. I too feel sorry for thise who are still terrified of burning for eternity. The funny thing is that the old Catholics and Orthodox: Italians, Irish, Hispanics, Greeks of my grandparents' generations never overthought it like is done today. This seems to be a largely American phenomenon.

They went to church they said their prayers, they said the rosary, they did what was the equivalent of their dharma. But they never judged other people or wanted to control lives. Maybe they gossiped but that was about it.

All of this new "born again" and "I'm saved" stuff is recent, it's only a few decades old and it's blooming like a poison mushroom. The Catholic Church is falling prey to it. It started when the Latin Mass was dropped. The Orthodox Church is not affected to any appreciable degree, because its rituals and traditions are largely unchanged for 1,500 years.

I don't think naive is the right word. I think bribed and blackmailed is. The same thing happened to all pre-Christian cultures, especially European like the Celtic and Germanic peoples.

Suffice to say, in my opinion American Christianity is in a very sorry spiritual state. If Jesus ever existed and died, he'd be spinning in his grave like a rotisserie chicken.
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Where is His grave? Good luck finding His remains.
 
Kirran

Kirran

ॐ
Premium Member
In other news, I just got back from Skanda Vale, as they were coming out of their Christmas celebrations. I missed the Midnight Mass and Christian service held in the Murugan temple, but made it for the big Christmas fondue on Boxing Day evening.
 
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