Your response consisted of 'NA'. How on Earth is that above his ability to understand anything?
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I'm a Hindu that believes in Jesus
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Your response consisted of 'NA'. How on Earth is that above his ability to understand anything?
No, it's actually not that important to me. But I like for people to back up their statements they present as incontrovertible fact. I rejected Christianity years ago. It became clear to me that Jesus, who was imo no more than any other saint, prophet or self-realized soul, i.e. not God, has become surrounded and obscured by mythology. He brought nothing new to the table, when you come right down to it.
Reggie Miller
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Never mind all that stuff about how He rose again and never mind that His remains cannot be located anywhere on this planet. Sure.
Chinggis Khan's remains can't be found either. But there is a plethora of written accounts about his existence from various sources.
Reggie Miller
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Hahahaha. Deflection?
No, you're missing the point. While Jesus may have existed, that there are no remains doesn't mean he rose from the dead.
The reference to Chinggis Khan is that it doesn't mean he rose from the dead either. Your belief is your belief, and that's fine, but it's only your belief and faith.
The problem is that (too) many Christians expect the rest of us to accept it as fact. They denigrate our beliefs by saying we are deluded by Satan, that our gods and beliefs are false.
I can quote my God who says that if someone wants to worship another God, that's cool; he's not jealous and will make that faith and worship strong. So one might say it's Krishna who makes your faith in Jesus strong. You have no proof that's not true. You see, it goes both ways.
Reggie Miller
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Considering all the known facts surrounding the death of Jesus the remains should be easily accessible and able to be produced. So why hasn't this happened?
Because 2000-year-old sources are somewhat unreliable, and stuff can move about over the course of 2000 years.
What known facts? Everything about him was written 70-100 years after his death. If the apostles existed and wrote the gospels, they would probably be at least 100 years old. That's pretty implausible to me.
The Romans, who documented everything, including recipes and Latin grammar, have no records of Jesus. If he had that much of an impact on society at the time, they would have noticed it.
This isn't to denigrate Christianity, but to point out that if one's faith and beliefs are strong, they don't need to be proven. Why Christians are so obsessed with proving Jesus's existence tells me that faith is not so strong.
Reggie Miller
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Why don't you go over to Jerusalem and tell that to the unbelieving Jews? They can show you where Jesus of Nazareth was crucified and where He was buried.
Your assumption that Jesus may not have existed or "2000-year-old sources are somewhat unreliable, and stuff can move about over the course of 2000 years" is just plain out wrong. If you don't believe that, why don't you go and ask them? They know their history a lot better than you do - and they don't believe Jesus is the Christ, either.
Reggie Miller
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See above post.
When did I say he didn't exist? If he didn't exist I wouldn't worship him, which I sometimes do.
According to tradition, he was crucified in such a place and buried in such a place. I personally believe these things to be true, and am open to the resurrection as well. But I don't think these things are especially provable from a historical perspective.
It doesn't make sense if you're saying the Jews who know their own history don't believe in him. Not sure what your point is.
@Jainarayan - he's saying something like 'even these non-Christians believe he existed historically and was crucified and buried in X and Y places, so that combined with the fact we don't have his dead body means he must have been resurrected'.
That would never stand up in a court of law.
What if all the jury are all evangelical Christians?
Lots of people don't have known resting places, and a considerable number have even been told to have ressurrected in various media.
By that yardstick Jesus is not at all remarkable.
Reggie Miller
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Go and tell that to the Jews, who can gladly show you where Jesus died and was buried. Good luck.