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I'm against abortion myself, but....
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Violet.
Honestly Scott,
this little post here is a total cop out.
(and childish at that)
Your god and my god are NOT the same god at all.
And so what?
I was making a VALID point.
Why would you expect ME to do what even your god does not do?!
I made MANY valid points,
and you have not addressed a SINGLE one of them.
Scott1
Well-Known Member
....and I won't.
You don't have the slightest clue about what my personal faith is.... I doubt I could have a intelligent conversation with someone who assumes the she is a mind reader of sorts... it's just too difficult to overcome assumptions based upon error.
Peace be with you,
Scott
blackout
Violet.
Look. You are Roman Catholic.
I did not mind read this.
It's in your profile under the picture of the RC pope.
I was a devout Roman Catholic for almost 10 years.
My concept of God NOW is NOTHING like the concept/understanding
I had of God as a (dogma believing) Christian/Catholic.
Nothing.
Why are you quibbling over it anyway?
The OP is about pro-choice and pro-life.
But STILL, and I mean this,
If your concept of God is not that of a Roman Catholic
please feel free to correct me.
I would be interested to know.
And It's no big deal. really.
I don't have time to read every post in this thread (19 pages!), but I've always been pro abortion if the woman decides that's what she wants to do. I believe a woman should never be forced to be a mom if she doesn't want to be, even though she made a "mistake". We start counting our ages when we are born, not when we are conceived, so I believe it's only murder when we kill a child after birth, when it's a fully funtioning human being.
This is an argument that is never-ending. It's almost pointless to argue about it. You are either for or against it from the moment you understand what abortion is. We don't know why some people form one opinion in their brains and others form an opposite opinion.
If you're against abortion, that's fine with me, as long as you don't go to abortion clinics and start killing people, which has been known to happen. If some places outlaw abortions, some people will be really mad and if you allow it, others will be mad. You can't win, really. And if you outlaw it, those women that want an abortion will find a way to get it done. It's like prostitution. You can outlaw it all you want, but you can't stop it.
This is an argument that is never-ending. It's almost pointless to argue about it. You are either for or against it from the moment you understand what abortion is. We don't know why some people form one opinion in their brains and others form an opposite opinion.
If you're against abortion, that's fine with me, as long as you don't go to abortion clinics and start killing people, which has been known to happen. If some places outlaw abortions, some people will be really mad and if you allow it, others will be mad. You can't win, really. And if you outlaw it, those women that want an abortion will find a way to get it done. It's like prostitution. You can outlaw it all you want, but you can't stop it.
Alceste
Vagabond
Hey, I thought you were leaving! To hear some of these people talk it's like the only dilemma we lost sleep over with our unplanned pregnancies was whether to terminate the pregnancy right away or wait for the kid to be born so we could rape and eat it.
Mike182
Flaming Queer
same here.
The problem is that "pro-life" means to be in favour of legislation regarding abortion practices. That's all it means. If you take it literally --as being in favour of the life-form or on the life-form's side --then that's where confusion sets in, and lines get blurred.
Some people choose to take things literally.
SoyLeche
meh...
Exactly. That's why I like my new proposed titles: "Pro-allow-abortion" and "anti-allow-abortion".
The problem is, the "anti-allow" group isn't going to like having "anti" in their title. At least we get the issue into the title though - whether or not you want abortion to be allowed.
Oh, that's even worse. If I was labelling the sides, it would be "let's tell everyone what to do about abortion" and "let's not".
Of course, I'd be on the side with fewer words in their name. (Less complicated.)
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
Isn't that just another example of
"I'm against abortion myself,
(and I disagree with what you are going to do), but....
(I will not actually do anything to stop you from choosing differently)?
All I'm saying is,
you most definately CAN be "anti-abortion"
(personally against abortion)
AND
"pro-choice"
(not standing in the way of people choosing/making decisions for themselves)
(ie...for free will)
AT THE SAME TIME.
People make choices all the time.
I make choices every day.
We each make countless choices how to live our respective lives.
I personally choose not to get involved in "policing" people.
It's just not what I choose to do.
This is no reflection however
of what I personally think of other people's choices.
I choose to talk honestly with people I am close with.
People I have a connection with, or a personal bond with.
I choose not to interject myself in the business of other's however.
(People outside my close personal sphere that is)
Sure, if someone is being blatantly harmed
right there in the sphere of my personal "space"
I will do what I can to stop the hurting.
That would be my choice, to try and stop the pain.
If I could. Or obviously try and get someone who could.
In the end,
we each will make our choices anyway
as we are able.
Some of us will do more damage along the way than others.
But such is the way of humanity aparantely.
Since the only choices I really have any control over anyway
are MY OWN....
that is where I personally choose to focus.
Look at SoyLeche post. Of course you can be pro choice and anti abortion. I don't hitnk anyone is pro abortion. Waht I'm saying is, that pro life means to protect the life of the unbron child at all times. Pro choice means you support the right of the woman to choose to terminate that pregnancy. Regardless of what you would do personally.
I have to disagree: that is not what those terms mean. "Pro-life" means being in favour of legislation about abortion. To presume anyone's motive for such --such as "to protect the life of the unborn child at all times" --is insane. Further, such motive-assumption makes it very personal, and is one reason such legislation will never happen in a democracy.
SoyLeche
meh...
Nah - my wording says pretty much the same thing as yours, with less words. Mine has a chance of catching on
At least I didn't go with "Pro-allow-mothers-to-murder-their-unborn-babies" and "Anti-allow-mothers-to-murder-their-unborn-babies". I think I'm being considerate to both sides.
But "what's allowed" isn't the issue. If there is legislation, then "what is allowed" does not actually change the fact of it happening; and if there is no legislation, then nothing is said about "what is allowed".Nah - my wording says pretty much the same thing as yours, with less words. Mine has a chance of catching on
At least I didn't go with "Pro-allow-mothers-to-murder-their-unborn-babies" and "Anti-allow-mothers-to-murder-their-unborn-babies". I think I'm being considerate to both sides.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
I don't legislation has anything to do with it. Even if they pass a law that forbids abortion (at any stage) there will still be pro choicers and pro lifers. Or in other terms, Pro-allow-abortion or Anti-allow-abortion. You cannot be middle ground here. You are either in favor of a choice or not. I really don't see the problems with this. Again, what you would personally do is irrelevant.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Wow. It's funny how you mention certain words, and all of a sudden you have a 20-page discussion. I still don't understand why the need for categorizing everyone into two groups. Life isn't black and white. People can say they are "pro-choice" with a twist, or the reverse. I don't see what the big deal is.
SoyLeche
meh...
"What's allowed" is entirely the issue. The fact that grand theft auto isn't allowed doesn't make it stop - but it is still not allowed, and there are penalties if you are caught doing it. If there is no legislation, then it is "allowed".
SoyLeche
meh...
But then the terms "pro-choice" and "pro-life" become pretty meaningless - which they currently are. They don't tell you much at all. The terms are designed to give people a hiding place.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
I would tend to agree, except that there are people who do fit the exact definitions of the terms. So, I wouldn't say they become meaningless. They mean certain things, but can come with qualifications.
SoyLeche
meh...
See - but everyone fits pretty well into my groups. There may be some switching sides depending on which piece of legislation is being voted on, but it's pretty black and white: Would you vote to allow abortions or to not allow abortions?
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