I'm against abortion myself, but....

[rheff78]

I guess not.

Interesting what that suggests....

Sorry, other things going on. Which points do you want addressed?

I already said, there was NO CHOICE involved.
yes, it involved me and my wife.

What else?

 

[Draka]

Then I pity you as well. For you cannot see that it's not the childs fault she became pregnant. You ahve whittled down a life into what is best for you and not anyone else. it's selfish.

You obviously have no clue as to the magnitude of situations like these. The women who go through these things and are in highly abusive situations are not, by anyone's definition, selfish.

 

[rheff78]

I'm small minded??? You're the one making blanket statements and trying to pidgeon-hole people under certain little labels as you feel fit to define them and I'M the small-minded one? Did you even read the rest of my post or did you just fling right into the insults? That's the sign of a great debater huh?...no valid argument?...just insult the one who stumped you. :sarcastic

post 338, thank you.

 

[rheff78]

You obviously have no clue as to the magnitude of situations like these. The women who go through these things and are in highly abusive situations are not, by anyone's definition, selfish.

In terms of the baby, yes they are.

 

[Draka]

post 338, thank you.

Still doesn't qualify as a valid argument that I can see. Just more presuming and name calling basically.

In terms of the baby, yes they are.

You are just showing your ignorance.

 

[Magic Man]

So, what if the mother was alone and on the street, and she had the baby by herself because she had nowhere else to go, and she died in the process, and the baby subsequently died because there was no one to take care of it? Now, not aborting it cost two lives instead of just one. Is that good in your opinion?

 

[Magic Man]

Do you ever lie, rheff? I only ask because most people tend to agree that lying is bad, but that there are exceptions when you can acceptably tell a lie. Do you think there is ever a time you're justified in lying, or is every time just as bad of a sin?

 

[McBell]

Sorry, other things going on. Which points do you want addressed?

See below.

I already said, there was NO CHOICE involved.
yes, it involved me and my wife.

No choice?
Then why the discussion:

As I already said, if the situation came up between me and my wife, WE have talked about it. She was involved in the situation.

What else?

These:

So the mother has absolutely no say in whether she lives or dies?
How is this any different than abortion?

Other than it is the fetus determining the life or death of the mother instead of the mother determining the life or death of the fetus?
What makes the fetus so damn special?

So in your scenario (Mother or fetus) where you choose the fetus, then the Mother has no choice.
How is it that the Mother is not special then?

Seeing as you declared that the not having a choice is what makes the fetus special, if you remove said choice from the mother then by default the mother is the special one, right?

So your declaration is only about you and your wife?
In that case your argument falls through because you yourself said that your wife agrees with your position.
In order to agree SHE HAD TO MAKE A CHOICE.

And then you CHOSE the right way over the wrong way.
So yes there was a choice.

You are being inconsistent.
If you discussed and decided (I.E. made choices) on how to handle it, you made choices.

and you have forgotten to address a few things:

So in your scenario (Mother or fetus) where you choose the fetus, then the Mother has no choice.
How is it that the Mother is not special then?

Seeing as you declared that the not having a choice is what makes the fetus special, if you remove said choice from the mother then by default the mother is the special one, right?

So your declaration is only about you and your wife?​

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Are you serious?
Of course there is a choice.
Especially given the subjectivity of the terms "right" and "wrong."

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[turk179]

For those of you who have not noticed, arguing with Archie Bunker is fruitless no mater how logical your argument is. Common Sense just rolls off him like water on a ducks back.

 

[Gentoo]

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[rheff78]

Still doesn't qualify as a valid argument that I can see. Just more presuming and name calling basically.



You are just showing your ignorance.

Doesn't qualify because it disagrees with you.
Good one.

 

[rheff78]

I agree with Gentoo. Get back on topic guys!!

 

[doppelganger]

For those of you who have not noticed, arguing with Archie Bunker is fruitless no mater how logical your argument is. Common Sense just rolls off him like water on a ducks back.

Just join the rest of us Meatheads for a beer.

"I make make you feel, but I can't make you think." - Jethro Tull

 

[rheff78]

So, Pro-Life is protecting life or Anti-Abortion.
Pro-Choice=Pro-Abortion.
NO gray area. Problem solved. Thanks.

 

[rheff78]

For those of you who have not noticed, arguing with Archie Bunker is fruitless no mater how logical your argument is. Common Sense just rolls off him like water on a ducks back.

For the arguments that are so fallacious, it's not that hard.

 

[Magic Man]

So, Pro-Life is protecting life or Anti-Abortion.
Pro-Choice=Pro-Abortion.
NO gray area. Problem solved. Thanks.

So, you're pro-choice, then, right? You have stated that you do not protect life, as you would willingly let your wife die. That leads me to believe that you must be pro-choice, then. No gray area. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Draka]

So, Pro-Life is protecting life or Anti-Abortion.
Pro-Choice=Pro-Abortion.
NO gray area. Problem solved. Thanks.

Pro-Choice does not equal pro-abortion. Boy, it's like talking to a wall that thinks it's a floor here.

 

[McBell]

So, Pro-Life is protecting life or Anti-Abortion.
Pro-Choice=Pro-Abortion.
NO gray area. Problem solved. Thanks.

And you call others small minded?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

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