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I'm Not a Tolerant Person

DNB

DNB

Christian
Viker said:
I've been dealing with Paimon a lot, as usual. I get feed back. It's probably all in my head, isn't it? :p

The light needs the darkness. They are companions not combatants.
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Ok, so you've heard it all before. No problem, as long as you are aware of some's concern and disapproval.
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
epronovost said:
I'm a history teacher, knowing a lot of things about a lot of stuff, if not in an expert degree, is part of my job. Since I do teach teenagers and young adults about the history of art, the history of African Americans and the history of the LBGTQ community, drag queens frequently come into question since, like you, ignorant teenagers and young adults do see the resemblance between drag queens and transgender people as well as some part of what could be roughly dubbed "gay culture". I'm left perplexed by your dogmatic and absolute disgust over drag queens which leads you to make incorrect amalgamations and feed your anxiety while knowing more could actually allow you to make a more interesting theological and moral argument about this particular event all the while mastering your fear and anxiety. That's one of the big difference between the character of Jesus in the Gospels and you; it's not tolerance or love, it's your relationship to disgust and fear. Jesus always faced his fears and challenged his disgust to see what was beneath, you aren't there yet. It's very difficult and that's probably the greatest credit the Gospel makes to Jesus's character; it wasn't his love, his compassion or his faith; It was his courage and willingness to challenge himself to be better.
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But, you're being annoyingly pedantic. I have absolutely no concern about the difference, can you appreciate that much? I was denouncing what was prohibited in the Church: the whole gamut of gender distortion and confusion.
 
Viker

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
DNB said:
Ok, so you've heard it all before. No problem, as long as you are aware of some's concern and disapproval.
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Sure. If people didn't express concern for others I would lose faith in humanity.
 
DNB

DNB

Christian
Shadow Wolf said:
Where did Jesus ever claim that anyone can cease sinner and that we aren't ever blatant sinners? We did he ever say we could be guiltless?
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You're off topic. I already answered it - the woman caught in adultery was told to stop sinning - one exhortation among many.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Edward Gordon said:
See, I don't believe in toleration. My religion is the true religion. I'm not baiting anyone here, and I'm not trolling. I'm telling you exactly how it is for me. I hate other religions. I think people in other religions are simply deluded fools who can't see the end coming, can't read the signs of the times, and cannot understand the prophecies of the Gospels and Revelation, and of course, have no idea who or what God is.
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I'm not sure what reason I have to tolerate your religion, then.

I mean, I think you're factually wrong, so all I had to fall back on was mutual respect... but you've made it clear that you want no part of mutual respect.

In this day and age, it's considered just good manners to tolerate everyone. But the next thing you know, you have a drag queen Lutheran preacher reading stories to children from the pulpit. I'll bet Martin Luther never saw that one coming!


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I'm sure that Martin Luther was already rolling in his grave from Lutherans not engaging in anti-semitic violence. He's a pretty poor a moral yardstick.

If there is no true religion, then we might as well be atheists. If there is a true religion, we better stop tolerating lies. These are the end of days.
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There's a bit of a false dichotomy there, don't you think?

... though there's nothing wrong with atheism. It works for me, anyway. However, if that's the route you end up taking, I'd suggest a change in attitude before coming to any meetings.
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
kjw47 said:
this sight is to talk about religious matters. Its you who are invading our sight, thus you must want to hear religious matters, or just stand in opposition like a terrorist in a sense. because we arent stopping talking about them in this sight.
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Yes, this secular humanist is very much interested in what theists have to say. It's instructive, for example, to see your use of the words invade and terrorist in reference to atheists engaging with you.

kjw47 said:
Maybe not terrorist maybe just spys.
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You could call it that - spying - but I consider it observation. One of the benefits of this experience is to see many examples of secular humanists and of the various religious traditions, and compare the types of people and their distribution that characterize each. Using the secular humanists as a control group, I can see the effect that each of these religious traditions has on its adherents, both intellectually and morally. Where else would somebody like me have daily access to the opinions of hundreds of people, many over several years? In this way, I can understand how faith affects minds.

Incidentally, it's the secular humanists doing best on both the intellectual and moral axes. There are many decent theists here, but all of the secular humanists are bright and decent. Several of the theists are well-educated as well, and are skilled critical thinkers, but all of the secular humanists are. The couple dozen of them that post on this forum regularly are exemplary in their debating skills and their demeanor. No religion does as well overall, even if some individuals do.

Also, from this forum, I can see that the more religion a person has, the worse off they are for it. So, I conclude that while their are many decent theists also skilled in critical thinking, such people are the minority for their denomination, and are the ones that are the least steeped in theology.

kjw47 said:
Yes you are correct a site, Ty. i type quickly 1 finger at a time, i am in a few sights like this and get a lot of responses.
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This is really a remarkable comment. Did you forget what you learned between the beginning of this sentence and the end?

DNB said:
Yes, I try to be an advocate for all that Christ stood for and proclaimed. He would've tossed that cross-dresser out into the streets, and reprimanded everyone in that room for endorsing such an abomination under the guise of his name.
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That's not what a secular humanist would do, as you can tell from this thread. But then, those are the people who actually take the Golden Rule to heart. No tossing, no name-calling, no reprimanding - just tolerance. As I said, these people are the gold standard for ethics for me.
 
Sgt. Pepper

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
DNB said:
Is God or Jesus not good-enough or intriguing enough for you? What does the darkness have to do with the light, how can it stand before the light, it will be obliterated.
Am I proselytizing? If so, I am concerned.
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I realize you're directing your questions to another person, but I would like to chime in and say no, God or Jesus aren't good enough or intriguing enough for me anymore. As a matter of fact, I wasted thirty-one years of my life struggling to reconcile my belief in a loving heavenly father with my reality of suffering severe abuse while I was growing up. Despite my frantic childhood prayers to this "heavenly father" to save me, I still suffered relentless abuse, neglect, and bullying throughout my childhood and adolescence.

As a teenager, I was still clinging to my belief in a loving, merciful God, despite the fact that I couldn't reconcile that belief with the abuse I suffered, but I began to think about the rest of the world during this time. I thought about the reality of a world assiduously rampant with death, disease, natural disasters, cold-blooded murder, rape, poverty, starvation, pestilence, sexual deviance, and corruption. As an adult, I added the Holocaust and pedophiles to my list, and it included Catholic priests. These pedophile priests have been allowed to get away with raping and molesting children for hundreds of years, and this sickness has been covered up by the Catholic Church for hundreds of years. Sexual abuse, physical abuse, psychological abuse and spiritual abuse is rampant in the Christian Church, and yet many Christians judge unbelievers for their sins. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I want to be perfectly clear about my objective for writing what I've shared thus far in my post. DNB, I want to make sure you know that I'm not attempting to attack you and call you out. My post isn't intended as a personal attack against you. I'm replying to your post because I want to share my story and explain why I've rejected God in my life, and why I'm not a Christian anymore.

I've been in a "spiritual limbo" for more than a year, and I'm unable to decide if I believe that God exists or not. If God doesn't exist, then evolution is true, humanity has always been alone in the universe, and terrible things happen that I can't explain. If the God depicted in the Bible does exist, then I can only see him as a sadistic barbaric tyrannical monster, and I reject any notion that he is a loving, merciful heavenly father. I don't have this contemptuous thought about God without reason, either. I've explained one of my reasons by sharing my horrific past of abuse. Furthermore, I've also explained my other reasons, as well. If you'd like to know what these reasons are, then you can find out by clicking here and reading one of my previous posts on the subject.

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Isaiah 45:7 (NIV)
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things."
 
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kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Ashoka said:
That's the no true Scotsman fallacy.

Yes, "real Christians" have done that. Real Christians have started holy wars. Real Christians have converted at gun or knifepoint. Real Christians wiped out other sects of Christianity simply for existing. Real Christians have made dogmas about killing heretics, and how it is not against the will of God. Real Christians taught that they would rejoice over people burning in hell.

Christians want to conquer the world, and they've tried since the Council of Nicea. It's a colonizer religion and it's only goal is to become the one true religion, while it wipes out other religions and cultures and people. The OP is proof of this. He is literally posting about being excited for the end times because it's gonna be "an all out war." He wants that. He's actually excited about it. It's sick and it's gross, and more people (the younger generation mostly) is starting to see it for what it really is.
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You are not seeing correctly--The real Jesus taught-love-peace-unity. Return evil for evil to no one. The religion that came out of Rome did not have Jesus. It was the foretold great apostasy. Their works prove they throw Jesus away.
Gods kingdom will come and be a cure all for mankind. At the final war of Har-mageddon. The bible says it is good news the coming of Gods kingdom. No more world like this-No war, hatred, lying, stealing. cancer, aids, etc, etc all the way down the line. No resident will ever say-i am sick, no aging like now, no mourning, outcry or pain, even death will be no more. Every motive of the human heart will be out of love, not profit, pleasure or gain. But Jesus promised--ony those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter that kingdom--99% of all religions claiming to be christian are not taught to do that. They do not have Jesus and thus are not really christian as they claim. Most are mislead into believing they are.
 
kjw47

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Ella S. said:
Many atheists are quite familiar with doctrine and theology. Some have even had spiritual experiences or continue to be spiritual.

I think it makes sense that they would try to only believe in things that they have good evidence for. I think that's something we could all strive to practice a bit more of. Far from being my opposition, I have a lot to learn from them.
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They might have expieriences but they do not know God or his son. The bible is filled with what it takes- Faith. Not proof. Those that love God and stand for him, he makes sure that one knows he is there.
 
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