I'm Not a Tolerant Person

[DNB]

Just like he threw that prostitute across the street. You remember the woman who was about to be stoned to death for committing adultery, don’t you? He was obviously livid with her when he stopped those men from killing her after he wrote something down in the dirt. Yep, Jesus screamed, “Go sin no more!” as he threw her across the street.

(Yes, I was being facetious)

The adulterer was not parading her acts, she did what she did in hiding. She did not walk into the synagogue or the Temple and endorse or flaunt her adultery. This transvestite is proud of his behaviour, and not trying to conceal it.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

But he does not expect people to overtly sin with no shame, and defy God's Laws. A transgender or transvestite should not been allowed in the Church on any level, unless they're there to renounce their ways.

I disagree. I’m having a difficult time putting my thoughts about your comment into words, so I decided to let this song speak for me.

 

[DNB]

I do appreciate that difference; it doesn't reflect kindly on your character and the moral lessons of your teachers, but I can understand the difference.



This is where my critique of your reaction to the drag queen show was not so pedantic, but on point. Only you are confused on the gender of the drag queen; anybody, child or adult who look at him knows its a man, a man wearing a silly pastel costume and acting the part with that completely silly costume. I think it needs to be mentioned again, but drag queens don't think they are women; they don't even dress and look like real women; they look like grotesques exaggerated and caricatural version feminity for comedy purpose. Yes, they wear dresses even though most women don't wear any outside of very special occasions. But, not only that, they wear very flashy dresses that the overwhelming majority would not wear because they are just too silly and for the makeup, it's even worst.

Note that in this specific example, female pastors in the Lutheran Church (because there is some now), don't dress in the pastel gold accent dress the drag queen is wearing. They actually dress much like their male peers. You can complain about the sacrilegious nature of making comedy and theatre in church, but don't go around beating the drum of "gender distortion and confusion". Nobody is confused about gender nor is breaking gender barriers. If you really wanted to be worried about "gender distortion and confusion" you could complain about the fact that there are women pastors and that they officiate in pretty much the same costume as the men pastors, but at that rate you would have to complain about the fact that women wear pants more often then skirts or dresses these days and that many, well before the pastors, work in unisex uniforms in public and that there isn't a job in the western world a man can do that a woman can't or don't.

Transvestites should not be allowed in the Church, unless they are there to renounce their ways. And, the first sign of rehabilitation would be to remove their cross-dressing attire and make-up.
I don't think that you understand the Church's liturgy very much, trying to equate it with a burlesque show? Words can't express how absurd you sound.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

The adulterer was not parading her acts, she did what she did in hiding. She did not walk into the synagogue or the Temple and endorse or flaunt her adultery. This transvestite is proud of his behaviour, and not trying to conceal it.

I’ll concede and agree that you’ve made a good point. That being said, I still don’t agree that Jesus would toss him across the street.

 

[DNB]

I wasn't aware the Church got to decide policy and who's allowed or not. I was always under the impression Jesus got to decide what's allowed and what isn't--not his followers--and very clearly he was more concerned about the heart/intentions of a person far more than who or what a person is. And if you tried to make yourself look better, Jesus would kick you down a few notches.

I don't think that you understand either Jesus or righteousness very much.

 

[DNB]

I disagree. I’m having a difficult time putting my thoughts about your comment into words, so I decided to let this song speak for me.

What, no Beatle's song? No 'we can work it out' or 'all you need is love'?

 

[DNB]

I’ll concede and agree that you’ve made a good point. That being said, I still don’t agree that Jesus would toss him across the street.

Nor do i, it was figurative. But, he did toss the marketers, who were overtly turning God's house into a den of robbers and thieves, out of the Temple.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

What, no Beatle's song? No 'we can work it out' or 'all you need is love'?

Not this time, but “All You Need Is Love” would have worked, too.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Transvestites should not be allowed in the Church, unless they are there to renounce their ways. And, the first sign of rehabilitation would be to remove their cross-dressing attire and make-up.
I don't think that you understand the Church's liturgy very much, trying to equate it with a burlesque show? Words can't express how absurd you sound.

Drag and transvestism are two different things. Transvestism is a paraphilia/sexual fetish.

 

[epronovost]

Transvestites should not be allowed in the Church, unless they are there to renounce their ways. And, the first sign of rehabilitation would be to remove their cross-dressing attire and make-up.

Again with this? I already mentioned it before, drag queens aren't transgender, neither are they transvestite. A transvestite would be someone who dresses like a woman in normal settings like everyday life and they would be dressed like normal women. It can also be used to describe a sexual fetishism in which a person derives sexual pleasure from playing a member of the opposite gender during sexual intercourse or a fixation with clothing as a erotic tool, but that's another thing completely. Drag queens don't wear those silly dresses, outrageous makeup and wigs in their daily life. They wear them during their performances like any actor. It's the same thing for their outrageous way of speaking with over-emphasis on vowels and sing-singing tones. That's part of the act.

I think I need to say it again but transgender, homosexual, drag queens and transvestite aren't synonymous. They are all quite different from one another. Stop using them as if they were pretty much the same thing. They are not. They aren't even similar.

I don't think that you understand the Church's liturgy very much, trying to equate it with a burlesque show? Words can't express how absurd you sound.

That might be because that's not something I've done. I never equated a burlesque show to Church liturgy or sermons.

What I told you was going on was that an artistic performance by a drag queen occurred in a church and that the subject of the artistic performance was to create a shocking and burlesque effect by contrasting something very profane, a drag queen performance, with something sacred, making a sermon in a Church. The goal of such a performance was to show that the Lutheran Church in question was a very welcoming, almost universalist Church and that the message of love, tolerance and generosity of Christ was for and from everybody, even the people you would least expect it, in that case, a drag queen, a symbol of "immorality". That's that "art part" of the performance. The idea was to mix two radically different, even opposed things, to create something new and of artistic value as it forces us to reconsider what exactly makes the performance of a drag queen so absurd and burlesque in the first place and what gives its sacredness to sermon; what's the essence of both.

Defying conventions, making us question our culture and our mores is basically what art like this is made for and its far from being the only interpretation of such a subject. Rock and Roll prayers were another example. Personally, I don't really enjoy it. I have little appreciation for that type of art as it doesn't touch my personal sensibilities, but I can understand it on an intellectual level. I'm neither a philistine nor a dogmatic bigot.

 

[epronovost]

Scientists say otherwise. They say from all the melting more liquid is in the clouds making them heavier and moving slower and thats why so many floods are occurring all over the earth.

I don't think you have grasped the problem. This is basically inaccurate and frankly dumb. The quantity of liquid is not at cause, what's a cause is the rising temperature that changes the cycle of water and changes wind and rain patterns by introducing more energy in the system.

 

[Windwalker]

I have been sharing bible truths to try and help my fellow man--They reject it. Jesus told us to pray for Gods kingdom to come. I will listen to him. The bible says the coming of the kingdom is good news.

Maybe something more practical, like donating time or money to help those in need? Words only go so far. Love speaks more than words and preaching.

 

[Windwalker]

Not sure what yo9u're talking about? You are unable to judge correctly?

How you judge others, is how you judge yourself, sevenfold over actually. Did you ever read Romans 14? It's about letting others stand or fall before their own master. It's about letting everyone do what is right before God by their own conscience.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Rev 13--a 7 headed beast with 10 horns--a 2 horned beast--In Daniel there were 4 world powers mentioned all given the mark of a beast-Then #5-the roman empire- #6 the british empire- thelast= the two horned beast=#7-- a horn = a kingdom, Thus 10 kingdoms a place where kingdoms( govts) gather. a 2horned beast 2 kingdoms working together.
It says--The 2 horn beast excercises all authority of the 7 headed beast-= Resolutions.
Cannot buy or sell unless receiving the mark of the beast- sanctions( could be a chip they will implant as well in the near future)
Makes fire come down out of the heavens-Bombs-missiles
2 horned beast= eagle-lion.

It goes on and says of the 7 headed beast--The one that was( league of nations) is not( death stroke, done away with after ww2-and yet is( death stroke got healed-the united nations.

Mexico has sent a statue that is outside the UN now, Rev 13:2= perfect description of it. In it inscription-Peace and security--1 Thess 5:3--Whenever they are saying-peace and security sudden destruction will be upon them.

It says many will worship the image of the beast-means put there trust in. Peace and security will be that image. It looks and sounds good to the mortal heart, but men cannot get us out of this mess, men are causing it. Gods kingdom is the ONLY remaining hope.

Leopards and lions and jaguars aren't the same. The statue you mention is of a winged jaguar, and it's not the only time a statue like that has appeared in such places.
Amd you do realize the UN has very little actual power don't you? Such as all their declarations and their own Bill of Rights have no legal binding. Even countries that sign on don't have to actually follow through. Many don't. Plenty of member states, such as Russia, do the exact opposite of those things. That's not a very convincing case for an entity who is supposed to have such control and power over the world.
As for fire from the heavens, modern bombs aren't the only military weapons to do that. Objects on fire launched from a trubechet or catapult seems to be a better filler for that. But that's the problem with these vague statements. People have been attaching them to this person and that state since the days of Rome.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But he does not expect people to overtly sin with no shame, and defy God's Laws. A transgender or transvestite should not been allowed in the Church on any level, unless they're there to renounce their ways.

A drag queen is neither. He's no more transitioning to or identifying as a woman than any other guy. He just dresses and acts as an over the top and caricaturized women (its why they have such flamboyant makeup and hair and clothes that women very typically don't do). Outside of that, when he's not performing, he's a guy.

 

[DNB]

How you judge others, is how you judge yourself, sevenfold over actually. Did you ever read Romans 14? It's about letting others stand or fall before their own master. It's about letting everyone do what is right before God by their own conscience.

You need to start judging more, ...unless, of course, you can't tell right from wrong?

 

[DNB]

A drag queen is neither. He's no more transitioning to or identifying as a woman than any other guy. He just dresses and acts as an over the top and caricaturized women (its why they have such flamboyant makeup and hair and clothes that women very typically don't do). Outside of that, when he's not performing, he's a guy.

Deuteronomy 22:5
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Deuteronomy 22:5
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.
Deuteronomy 22:11
So, do you make sure that your wool suits don't have linen button holes?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Deuteronomy 22:5
“A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

Given Christianity is on the decline, good riddance. But some more context is necessary, because Judaism doesn't seem to have the hard ban, and indeed the cloak of many colors, the word כְּתֹנֶת פַּסִּים only appears twice, once for the coat that Jacob made for Joseph, and again for the cloak worn by David's daughter, Tamar. So this isn't quite the easy, black and white thing you want it to be.

 

[epronovost]

Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together.
Deuteronomy 22:11
So, do you make sure that your wool suits don't have linen button holes?

And he must be furious when there is a shrimp cocktail in the basement of a Church for events like marriages, baptism or funerals; or men without beards, people with tattoos and or piercings, including simple hearings or the most dreadful thing, a women or a girl wearing a pair of pants.

Also a drag queen's outfit is a scene costume, not women's clothing in the strict sense of the term but I doubt @DNB actually make that difference. That would require to get pass his disgust and fear.

 

[Viker]

No one is born with pants or dresses. Isn't it odd that so many vest so much energy into mandating petty fabric ware codes? Why? Why now? And why anymore?