I'm very late with this but how did Biden manage to win the Dem nomination?

[PoetPhilosopher]

But why didn't Trump win then?

Because the first impeachment looked bad, and because of the coronavirus, and because there are more Democrats than Republicans generally, etc.

Here's the thing though - if I say something is going further right, it's not the same as saying the right necessarily has the majority.

 

[Jose Fly]

I mean the leadership in the Dem party when I refer to the establishment. They had more control as to who they wanted to win than the voters. The same thing seems to have happened in 2016 when Hillary won even though she was a very unpopular candidate.

I looked into the claims from the "Bernie Bros" in 2016 and found them to be largely exaggerated or without basis. I didn't do the same with the 2020 nomination, because the roles that timing and demography played seemed obvious.

The main question I had in 2020 was why Warren and Sanders both stayed in the race for so long. All that did was split the younger progressive vote, which helped prop up Biden.

 

[Jose Fly]

But the guy seems to be the antithesis of what the Dem base and party claim to stand for as an older, white, well off, some would say privileged man. Kamala Harris better fitted what the Dems stood for

Don't assume that the Democrat base doesn't include older whites.

The 2020 electorate by party, race, age, education, religion: Key things to know | Pew Research Center

As you can see, 59% of Democrat voters are white, and half are more than 50 years old.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Why? What's the evidence of that?

Because Trump would have painted him as a socialist.

 

[Revoltingest]

Lmao


Yeah but there were candidates that better represented them like Kamala Harris

I find that people often don't do much thoughtful
consideration & research for their votes.

 

[Friend of Mara]

But the guy seems to be the antithesis of what the Dem base and party claim to stand for as an older, white, well off, some would say privileged man. Kamala Harris better fitted what the Dems stood for

I don't think the democratic party is anti-white, anti-man or anti-old. As a Bernie gal I can attest to that. But unfortunately the milk toast spineless liberal centrist he is the epitome of the democratic party. Perhaps ironic or not but he was more popular with the black vote than the general democratic vote.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Because Trump would have painted him as a socialist.

He IS a socialist. They would have made up something that doesn't exist and paint him as that. Perhaps I have overdosed on hope pills but I think he stood a great chance. I mean the LITTERAL only thing going for Biden was "not Trump". He didn't win the election so much as Trump lost. So many people felt like they were having to hold their nose to vote for the lesser evil that wouldn't have felt that way with Bernie. But who knows.

 

[robocop (actually)]

He IS a socialist. They would have made up something that doesn't exist and paint him as that. Perhaps I have overdosed on hope pills but I think he stood a great chance. I mean the LITTERAL only thing going for Biden was "not Trump". He didn't win the election so much as Trump lost. So many people felt like they were having to hold their nose to vote for the lesser evil that wouldn't have felt that way with Bernie. But who knows.

Trust me I know. Donald Trump would be sitting pretty. The socialist vote would be hard to get. Dond Trump would make those voters feel like dip $#!^s

 

[Jos]

For people talking about "rigging," what do you think that actually means? What actual actions did the...DNC?...take to "rig" the primaries? You understand that would involve an incredibly vast and complex conspiracy across all 50 states and that elections are run by independent state agencies, not parties, yes?

Do you think that's more likely, or is it more likely that the circle you run in made you underestimate Biden's popularity?

Really? How complex would the conspiracy have to be?

 

[Jos]

I thought you might find it useful to know @Jos - t'll present a piece of information in an unbiased way, which might interest you - during 2020, when they decide who gets to be the Democrat nominee - Biden was behind Bernie. Whether by coincidence or whether by actual gerrymandering, Biden got ahead after the other people running dropped out, and after they dropped out, they all endorsed Biden.

I'm undecided on what happened. But when I talked about it on the forum, I was told that there was probably no unfair tactics involved, that Biden would have won anyway.

Well in that case, I think it's most likely that the establishment wanted Biden to win and incentivised the others to drop out and support Biden.

 

[Jos]

Because the first impeachment looked bad, and because of the coronavirus, and because there are more Democrats than Republicans generally, etc.

Here's the thing though - if I say something is going further right, it's not the same as saying the right necessarily has the majority.

Fair enough.

 

[Revoltingest]

During the 2016 election cycle, the Democrats got hacked. It was revealed that the party leadership were against Sanders, yet they had publicly claimed support for him and equal support for the candidatees. The 2020 election cycle followed the same pattern as 2016, with Sanders receiving initial verbal support but then being cut. The given explanation was that he didn't have Biden's popularity, but I just couldn't see any truth in that. Public sentiment was that Biden was a flip flopper, had no real position on anything, was simply popular with Democrat leadership.

During the 2020 election Biden struggled to fascinate and to excite Democrats. So...yes. It was in my opinion rigged, and they risked losing the election in order to get him into office, too.

One sign of it being rigged would be if he did better
in the primaries than popular discourse would suggest.
But I detected much support for Biden among Dems.

In Hillary's case, there was rigging, but most of it was out
in the open, eg, super delegates. And there was the
secret passing of debate questions to her by the DNC.

Another thing about rigging....
Who is to say that highly motivated (to say the least)
Republicans didn't try to commit voter fraud in Trump's
favor? I expected Biden to win by a larger margin than
he did, which slightly reinforces this possibility.

 

[Jos]

As you can see, 59% of Democrat voters are white, and half are more than 50 years old.

Wow so much? Well it makes sense now why he got the nomination but also interesting given that most of those voters are supposedly "woke sjws".

 

[Jos]

Because Trump would have painted him as a socialist.

America doesn't seem to mind socialism at the moment though

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I think the results would have been closer for the 2020 Presidency had mail-in voting not been done. Scary close. While there would be more Biden supporters, Republicans seem to be great at showing up to vote in person.

 

[Jos]

I find that people often don't do much thoughtful
consideration & research for their votes.

That's true but I also just found out that the majority of dem voters are actually white so I was wrong to assume they'd be people of colour

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Wow so much? Well it makes sense now why he got the nomination but also interesting given that most of those voters are supposedly "woke sjws".

Most Dems probably aren't woke sjws.

 

[Jos]

I don't think the democratic party is anti-white, anti-man or anti-old. As a Bernie gal I can attest to that. But unfortunately the milk toast spineless liberal centrist he is the epitome of the democratic party. Perhaps ironic or not but he was more popular with the black vote than the general democratic vote.

It makes more sense now that I just found out the majority of dems are white which shouldn't have surprised me given that majority of America is still white.

 

[robocop (actually)]

America doesn't seem to mind socialism at the moment though

Joe Biden was halfway left at ontheissues.org. Bernie Sanders was completely left. That's a lot of lost votes!

 

[Jos]

I think the results would have been closer for the 2020 Presidency had mail-in voting not been done. Scary close. While there would be more Biden supporters, Republicans seem to be great at showing up to vote in person.

I think so too, it would have been a lot closer