I'm Voting Libertarian This Year

[Revoltingest]

I've been weighing all the likely & unlikely outcomes
of the 2 evils, ie, Biden vs Trump. Short term vs long
term risks of various kinds are impossible to evaluate
with any confidence. So whoever the Libertarian
candidate is, they get my vote.

Yes, this could mean failure to prevent Trump's
return to power, with all the governmental, political,
& civil liberties carnage. But Biden is mishandling
the Palestinian genocide, & risking WW3 in his
slavish support of Israel's inhuman brutality & greed.
What will happen to Ukraine? Too hard to discern
how that will play out with either.

So now, at least I'm not voting for evil. And I'll help
send the message that deadly religious bigotry, hatred,
& vengeance will lose votes.
Better to vote for fecklessness...but ethical fecklessness.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So now, at least I'm not voting for evil.

You're simply enabling it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

You're simply enabling it.

I can understand his voting decision. It is a difficult and profoundly troubling thought that whichever way one votes, they will be voting for someone who has blood on their hands unless they choose an independent or third-party candidate.

Abstaining from voting for those complicit in warmongering and mass murder seems to me a perfectly understandable position, albeit one with its own downsides.

 

[Secret Chief]

I've been weighing all the likely & unlikely outcomes
of the 2 evils, ie, Biden vs Trump. Short term vs long
term risks of various kinds are impossible to evaluate
with any confidence. So whoever the Libertarian
candidate is, they get my vote.

Yes, this could mean failure to prevent Trump's
return to power, with all the governmental, political,
& civil liberties carnage. But Biden is mishandling
the Palestinian genocide, & risking WW3 in his
slavish support of Israel's inhuman brutality & greed.
What will happen to Ukraine? Too hard to discern
how that will play out with either.

So now, at least I'm not voting for evil. And I'll help
send the message that deadly religious bigotry, hatred,
& vengeance will lose votes.
Better to vote for fecklessness...but ethical fecklessness.

Libertarian going to vote libertarian. I'm shocked.
I'll be voting Labour in the UK General Election. Crazy or what?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I can understand his voting decision.

I believe that I can as well. I also believe that enabling a xenophobic, homophobic, and misogynistic, narcissist who looks up to the likes of Erdogan, Kim Jong-Un, Putin, Viktor Orban, and Xi Jinping, is a very dangerous and irresponsible game.

 

[Wu Wei]

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[Debater Slayer]

I believe that I can as well. Still, I believe that enabling a xenophobic, homophobic, and misogynistic, narcissist who looks up to the likes of Erdogan, Kim Jong-Un, Putin, Viktor Orban, and Xi Jinping, is a very dangerous and irresponsible game.

I see that as a valid position as well. It seems to me that there are no easy or definitive answers in this case, hence my lack of inclination to condemn either view.

 

[Wu Wei]

What I can never quite get.... we see to candidates, and only 2 candidates...and we don't like either of them.... but decide to vote for one we feel will dothe least damage, or who is the lesser of two evils..... whne there are other options.... if enough Americans get fed up and start voting for who they think will do a better job and not buy into the "throwing away their vote" propaganda.... things just might change..... hopefully for the better...... or at least give the bone heads in DC a wake up call..... and that is the most you will see me type in a political post...... The bear is out

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I've been weighing all the likely & unlikely outcomes
of the 2 evils, ie, Biden vs Trump. Short term vs long
term risks of various kinds are impossible to evaluate
with any confidence. So whoever the Libertarian
candidate is, they get my vote.

Yes, this could mean failure to prevent Trump's
return to power, with all the governmental, political,
& civil liberties carnage. But Biden is mishandling
the Palestinian genocide, & risking WW3 in his
slavish support of Israel's inhuman brutality & greed.
What will happen to Ukraine? Too hard to discern
how that will play out with either.

So now, at least I'm not voting for evil. And I'll help
send the message that deadly religious bigotry, hatred,
& vengeance will lose votes.
Better to vote for fecklessness...but ethical fecklessness.

At the end of the day, you have to vote your own conscience. If you've thought it through, and it looks like you have, I would not dare gain-say you.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What I can never quite get.... we see to candidates, and only 2 candidates...and we don't like either of them.... but decide to vote for one we feel will dothe least damage, or who is the lesser of two evils..... whne there are other options.... if enough Americans get fed up and start voting for who they think will do a better job and not buy into the "throwing away their vote" propaganda.... things just might change..... hopefully for the better...... or at least give the bone heads in DC a wake up call..... and that is the most you will see me type in a political post...... The bear is out

I honestly don't think the "other options" choice works very well in what is very much a two-party system. It does work well in multi-party Winchester-style parliaments, like Canada's, where ruling parties can be reduced to minority governments that have to negotiate with other parties to get anything at all done.

 

[Wu Wei]

I honestly don't think the "other options" choice works very well in what is very much a two-party system. It does work well in multi-party Winchester-style parliaments, like Canada's, where ruling parties can be reduced to minority governments that have to negotiate with other parties to get anything at all done.

Could get a 3rd party going though.... not necessarily at the presidential level to begin with... but Congress and Senate

 

[Revoltingest]

You're simply enabling it.

This could turn out to be true,
but your certainty is unwarranted.
My vote could alternatively inhibit evil.

 

[Revoltingest]

Libertarian going to vote libertarian. I'm shocked.
I'll be voting Labour in the UK General Election. Crazy or what?

What?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

if enough Americans get fed up and start voting for who they think will do a better job and not buy into the "throwing away their vote" propaganda.... things just might change

Or you might end up facilitating the overturn of Roe v Wade,

waging war on the LGBTQ community,​

becoming the unthinking ally of those who champion book bans,​

emboldening the proud boys and their allies,​

and opening the floodgates of misinformation.​

 

[Wu Wei]

Or you might end up facilitating the overturn of Roe v Wade,

waging war on the LGBTQ community,​

becoming the unthinking ally of those who champion book bans,​

emboldening the proud boys and their allies,​

and opening the floodgates of misinformation.​

Or you might not

 

[Secret Chief]

What?

What what?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

but your certainty is unwarranted.

I'm reasonably certain that the LGBTQ+ community is facing a greater threat today. So, too, immigrants, and women's reproductive rights.

My vote could alternatively inhibit evil.

It is certainly possible that you vote could be benign.

 

[LuisDantas]

I honestly don't think the "other options" choice works very well in what is very much a two-party system. It does work well in multi-party Winchester-style parliaments, like Canada's, where ruling parties can be reduced to minority governments that have to negotiate with other parties to get anything at all done.

Trouble is, Trump is not aiming to get anything done. He is all about promissing to be an authoritarian dad while behaving like a deranged brat.

You can not argue with delusion. Nor, apparently, with its support base.

 

[Revoltingest]

What what?

Yeah, that.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm reasonably certain that the LGBTQ+ community is facing a greater threat today. So, too, immigrants, and women's reproductive rights.


It is certainly possible that you vote could be benign.

I hope to send the message that civil liberties,
peaceful foreign policy, lower taxes, & having
the rule of law apply even to government
workers will prevail.
If you vote for Biden, you're voting in opposition
to those things. I understand that you're balancing
negatives against positives too. We each weigh
them, & decide for ourselves. But you do not
have the moral high ground. I don't claim it either.