I'm Voting Libertarian This Year

[Brickjectivity]

I am angry about this election, so I will probably vote. Even if I think my vote won't count, I'll probably vote.

 

[Revoltingest]

At the end of the day, you have to vote your own conscience. If you've thought it through, and it looks like you have, I would not dare gain-say you.

It's not about my conscience.
I always vote for whomever will likely (IMO)
yield the best (or least worst) result for the
country, & perhaps others. To prognosticate
with so little useful info about such a complex
thing is difficult.

 

[Secret Chief]

Yeah, that.

Thought so.

 

[Revoltingest]

Or you might end up facilitating the overturn of Roe v Wade,

waging war on the LGBTQ community,​

becoming the unthinking ally of those who champion book bans,​

emboldening the proud boys and their allies,​

and opening the floodgates of misinformation.​

Or you might end up sending bombs to Israel for genocide,
or continuing civil forfeiture abuse (something Biden created),
or entering USA into WW3 because supporting genocide increases terrorism,
or emboldening attacks on Arabs & Muslims,
or keeping the status quo of police unaccountability for illegal acts.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It's not about my conscience.
I always vote for whomever will likely (IMO)
yield the best (or least worst) result for the
country, & perhaps others. To prognosticate
with so little useful info about such a complex
thing is difficult.

My answer would remain the same, never-the-less. I believe in democracy (being Canadian, maybe I find it a little easier), and I believe that every qualified voter has the absolute right to make his or her decision on whatever merits they see fit.

I may argue before the vote, in an effort to present more information that I think important, but I have never asked anyone, not even my beloved partner, who they voted for after-the-fact.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I am angry about this election, so I will probably vote. Even if I think my vote won't count, I'll probably vote.

Your vote counts! Just remember, Trump was only looking for 11,700 votes in Georgia, a state where 4,935,000 votes were cast.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Trouble is, Trump is not aiming to get anything done. He is all about promissing to be an authoritarian dad while behaving like a deranged brat.

You can not argue with delusion. Nor, apparently, with its support base.

I find myself falling back on nothing more than an earnest hope that, when confronted with a ballot, most Americans will exhibit a little common sense. Nearly 81,290,000 of them did in 2020. And that is, you must admit, an astonishing number -- the highest turnout in US history.

 

[LuisDantas]

I hope to send the message that civil liberties,
peaceful foreign policy, lower taxes, & having
the rule of law apply even to government
workers will prevail.
If you vote for Biden, you're voting in opposition
to those things.

Are you? News to me.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I am angry about this election, so I will probably vote. Even if I think my vote won't count, I'll probably vote.

To me that's just actively contributing further to a bad situation if the vote is limited for one or the other, of what can be summed up as two evils.

 

[Brickjectivity]

To me that's just actively contributing further to a bad situation if the vote is limited for one or the other, of what can be summed up as two evils.

I never said I was a good man. I said I was angry.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I never said I was a good man. I said I was angry.

Well I was angry enough to vote for Trump as my stick of dynamite.

 

[LuisDantas]

Well I was angry enough to vote for Trump as my stick of dynamite.

And you will have to live with that.

I just don't understand.

 

[Revoltingest]

Are you? News to me.

If one is aware of Biden's history, the policies
he pursues, & the status quos he maintains,
then one sees what he supports.

I can understand that people supporting him
are unavoidably supporting these things
because the judge that in balance, he's not
as bad as Trump.
Nonetheless, both candidates pose dangers
to the country, & to the world. Evaluating
things to discern which is worse ain't easy.

 

[LuisDantas]

If one is aware of Biden's history, the policies
he pursues, & the status quos he maintains,
then one sees what he supports.

I can understand that people supporting him
are unavoidably supporting these things
because the judge that in balance, he's not
as bad as Trump.
Nonetheless, both candidates pose dangers
to the country, & to the world. Evaluating
things to discern which is worse ain't easy.

That may well be, but it is still news to me. I literally have no idea of what you are talking about, unless it is all your claim that he is causing damage with his (qualified) support to Netanyahu.

Frankly, it is a bit shocking (even at this point in time) to see you make such claims without anything close to proper support.

 

[Estro Felino]

I think that you should vote for an American Milei.
Seriously...you should follow Milei, the Argentinian president.

I bet you and he have so much in common.

 

[Revoltingest]

That may well be, but it is still news to me. I literally have no idea of what you are talking about, unless it is all your claim that he is causing damage with his (qualified) support to Netanyahu.
Frankly, it is a bit shocking (even at this point in time) to see you make such claims without anything close to proper support.

You're easily shocked.
I've supported all these claims in numerous
threads in the N American Politics forum.
Just because you don't read them doesn't
mean they aren't there. I don't link to
supporting info in every post.
If you want to address specifics, ask away.

 

[LuisDantas]

Nonetheless, both candidates pose dangers to the country, & to the world.

Probably true. Factually, anyone at all who is in the role of POTUS or has a not-entirely-negligible chance of achieving it somehow is such a danger. It comes with the territory.

Whoever applies among the Libertarians, whoever you may end up voting for, will definitely be such a danger as well.

For that matter, refusing to vote is also such a danger - if for no other reason, because it amounts to lending others the power to choose someone to hold that much dangerous power.

Evaluating things to discern which is worse ain't easy.

Seems drammatically easy to me. You must really hate Biden for some reason. Is it really all due to Bibi?

 

[LuisDantas]

You're easily shocked.

No, not by you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Seems drammatically easy to me. You must really hate Biden for some reason. Is it really all due to Bibi?

Resorting to the ad hominem, eh.
I'll take that as an invitation to diagnose you....
You've sided with Biden against Trump,
& this blinds you to Biden's bad policies.
And when I criticize Biden, you take this
personally.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can understand his voting decision. It is a difficult and profoundly troubling thought that whichever way one votes, they will be voting for someone who has blood on their hands unless they choose an independent or third-party candidate.

Abstaining from voting for those complicit in warmongering and mass murder seems to me a perfectly understandable position, albeit one with its own downsides.

To clarify, I don't view voting for a guaranteed loser
(the Libertarian) as abstention. It's both a message
to the Democrat & Republican parties, and a long
term investment in the party of my choice.
Maybe some day we'll matter. But it won't happen
without trying. And as you well know, I am trying.