imagine...

[waitasec]

Alright in theory, let's say that humans had influence on this new found God. Let's say that humans were able to persaude this God to create more natural resources and fixed all the ecological problems. But then who decided which country gets what natural resources? And thus thats where the wars come in.

but wouldn't that be limiting god...?

the OP's argument is, alright... we found the first uncaused cause. now what?

does the believer in god know god cannot be proven empirically? and if god cannot be proven empirically and faith is all that is required, why the need to prove ones faith is true and others wrong? isn't it enough that god knows the believer has faith?

i'm trying to focus on why there would be more strife in this hypothetical situation...

 

[Thesavorofpan]

but wouldn't that be limiting god...?

the OP's argument is, alright... we found the first uncaused cause. now what?

does the believer in god know god cannot be proven empirically? and if god cannot be proven empirically and faith is all that is required, why the need to prove ones faith is true and others wrong? isn't it enough that god knows the believer has faith?

i'm trying to focus on why there would be more strife in this hypothetical situation...

Oh....now you made the discussion boring. If were going to have a hypothetical situation like this. Then anything can be possible.

 

[waitasec]

Oh....now you made the discussion boring. If were going to have a hypothetical situation like this. Then anything can be possible.

whaaat?
did i make you uncomfortable?
it's always been hypothetical...

you did say...

I like to think there will be lots and lots of wars.

why did you say that?

 

[Pegg]

john lennon was on to something. but lets take this idea one step further
(if that's possible...)
lets say science found unquestionable evidence for god somehow...what would happen then?

Richard Dawkins would find some way to refute it

would god all of a sudden appear to humanity and tell us how we are to serve him, if that is what would be required?
or, if at that point after the discovery god still remains the way god is now, what do you think would happen? do you think humanity would unite or become even more divided than we are now?

what do you think?

i dont think anything would change

people will continue to live the way they want, atheists would continue to believe what they want.... they say seeing is believing but it doesnt mean it will produce a love for God in people or humanity will suddenly have a faith in God.

 

[Thief]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YjQqLlSZq4

My old machine won't do youtube.

You'll have to speak your mind...on your own.

 

[PolyHedral]

As in infinitely alone?

Have you really considered proximity?

Well, there's tens of billions people there. I'm sure I could find somebody to talk to.

My old machine won't do youtube.

You'll have to speak your mind...on your own.

It's a character saying, "It is written that only Link can defeat Ganon", after apparently conjuring the peice of paper on which it is written from nowhere.

 

[waitasec]

Richard Dawkins would find some way to refute it

then he wouldn't be a man of science...

i dont think anything would change
people will continue to live the way they want, atheists would continue to believe what they want....

i find this really interesting. you think atheists are anarchists?

i agree, in that nothing would change, that is what gives religion it's power after all...division and dissension. everyone wants to be on gods side.
problem is, god has many sides.

they say seeing is believing but it doesnt mean it will produce a love for God in people or humanity will suddenly have a faith in God.

absolutely spot on. it wouldn't produce unity and peace.

 

[waitasec]

Oh....now you made the discussion boring. If were going to have a hypothetical situation like this. Then anything can be possible.

it's interesting that you would find endless possibilities as boring...

 

[Breathe]

And without enforcement....Man...walking about in heaven would behave himself?

I have always been told from Christians that man in heaven will not have the desires, nor weakness to susceptibility to not behave.

As Father Heathen has said, it sort of sounds like a police state with your description. Is it your intention to say that we will effectively be bullied into submission, or have I missed something?

I've heard rumors of war in heaven.....

I don't take such things as literal though. One only has to look at Rev 12:7 where it comes in, and it's against a 'dragon', "Satan". If it was literal, it would only raise more questions than anything.

Besides, humans aren't the dragon, even if it is taken literally.

 

[Thief]

I have always been told from Christians that man in heaven will not have the desires, nor weakness to susceptibility to not behave.

As Father Heathen has said, it sort of sounds like a police state with your description. Is it your intention to say that we will effectively be bullied into submission, or have I missed something?


I don't take such things as literal though. One only has to look at Rev 12:7 where it comes in, and it's against a 'dragon', "Satan". If it was literal, it would only raise more questions than anything.

Besides, humans aren't the dragon, even if it is taken literally.

Not so much a story as it is a set of circumstances....

Take one item that is most likely true.
You are not top of the line .....life form.
Couple that with a belief of an afterlife.
You might get something like this.....taken from a topic I wrote a long time ago...I quote myself.....


"I've heard various takes on the fall of angels...
Let's consider what we should be careful of...if any of this is true.

First a brief description of what an angels are.
In comparison to Man...they are...
Bigger, faster, stronger, more intelligent and greatly experienced.
If any man could stand face to face and deny any of these five attributes,
Then scripture is incorrect...
Man was created a little less than the angelic.

There is a long standing belief that the fall of the angelic..one third of heaven...was brought on by a division....an argument.

God...having made Man...a little less than the angelic...said to the angels...
"Man is fragile...follow after him and see to it, that he dash not his toes...nor his head."

One third of the angelic said "nay".
"For that Man is less than we are... He should be made to serve us."

There is nothing wrong in that logic.
Man does so unto lesser creatures in every way.

We... chain our dogs, and expect their loyalty...keeping to one master...even though it is their nature to run free in packs, and hunt at will.
We.... saddle and bridle our horses...and expect them to take us wherever we desire...and we break their spirits that they will obey.
We.... cage little birds..that they sing for our pleasure...but the little creature sings for a mate he will never find. There will be no nest...no offspring...and he will die in his solitude.
We...readily kill anything that cannot be made to serve us...any disobedient animal.

A fight broke out. Brother angel against Brother angel.
One third of the angelic fell from grace...losing their positions in heaven.
They lost their place because of an argument...concerning something that looks like you.

They want you dead.

Two thirds of heaven lost their Brothers because of an
argument...concerning something that looks like you.

Do you not bear resemblance to the one third fallen?
Do you not perform unto lesser things...and your fellowman ...as you will?

Are you not concerned..what...or who...will be standing over you...
When you lay down to breath your last breathe?"


On top of that....as you stand up from your dust....
You probably won't know the territory...the language...or the scheme of things.

Are you not at the mercy...of those gone before you?