imagine...

[Father Heathen]

Yes, they chose what was best for them instead of what is best for society. That is the premise of evolution. The golden rule is contrary to the rule of evolution.

But it wasn't what was best for them, was it? Criminal behavior is an issue of psychological health. Following "the golden rule" is both of mutual benefit and rational self interest, and in no way conflicts with evolutionary theory.

 

[Thief]

The boundaries of discussion have been allowed too much latitude.

The golden rule is a guide line...and a warning.

It has nothing to do with evolution.

Now if you would say that society is an 'evolving strategy'.....

 

[tumbleweed41]

The boundaries of discussion have been allowed too much latitude.

The golden rule is a guide line...and a warning.

It has nothing to do with evolution.

Now if you would say that society is an 'evolving strategy'.....

On the contrary, the "Golden Rule" is the very foundation of societal evolution.
All basic societal ethics are built upon the notion that in order for a group to live together peacefully and productively, individuals within that group must respect the lives and property of others within the group in order for their own lives and property to be secure.
Those who are unable or unwilling to to respect that basic golden rule are punished, or removed from that society for the good of the society as a whole.
Things that are bad for the society are changed or removed. Things that are good are encouraged. This is the basis of societal evolution.

 

[Thief]

On the contrary, the "Golden Rule" is the very foundation of societal evolution.
All basic societal ethics are built upon the notion that in order for a group to live together peacefully and productively, individuals within that group must respect the lives and property of others within the group in order for their own lives and property to be secure.
Those who are unable or unwilling to to respect that basic golden rule are punished, or removed from that society for the good of the society as a whole.
Things that are bad for the society are changed or removed. Things that are good are encouraged. This is the basis of societal evolution.

The golden rule is a spiritual concept.
The angels await to do unto you as you did unto others.
Fair warning.

As for society......
An eye for an eye...

Maybe you've noticed...Man doesn't really believe in the golden rule.
Some people don't believe in life after death.

At a glance it all sounds the same...does it not?

But somethings are retroactive...somethings proactive.

The golden rule is more...you first....unto others.
That way you deeds return to you as many times as you are greeted by angels......good....or bad....

 

[tumbleweed41]

The golden rule is a spiritual concept.

Only for those predisposed to spiritualism over reason.

The angels await to do unto you as you did unto others.
Fair warning.

I fear no supernatural mythical beings.

As for society......
An eye for an eye...

A barbaric ethical concept often espoused by religions.

Maybe you've noticed...Man doesn't really believe in the golden rule.

The "Golden Rule", like I said above, is the foundation of successful societal evolution.

Some people don't believe in life after death.

Irrelevant.

At a glance it all sounds the same...does it not?

No, it does not.

But somethings are retroactive...somethings proactive.

Irrelevant.

The golden rule is more...you first....unto others.
That way you deeds return to you as many times as you are greeted by angels......good....or bad....

Truly ethical ideals are not backed by vague promises of reward or punishment from mythical beings.

 

[Thief]

Only for those predisposed to spiritualism over reason.

A poor perspective on your part.

I fear no supernatural mythical beings.

Good for you.

The "Golden Rule", like I said above, is the foundation of successful societal evolution.

Society hasn't really evolved. Watch any evening news?


Truly ethical ideals are not backed by vague promises of reward or punishment from mythical beings.

TRUE.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Because you should.

You'll fit into heaven better that way.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Treat others as you want to be treated.
Because it promotes social unity and survival of the species as a whole.

You will help humanity progress beyond your own limited life that way.

 

[Thief]

Treat others as you want to be treated.
Because it promotes social unity and survival of the species as a whole.

You will help humanity progress beyond your own limited life that way.

Man is a creature that soils the nest.

Humanity is terminal.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Man is a creature that soils the nest.

Humanity is terminal.

I have never understood this line of thinking.
On one extreme we have those who hold humanity above nature. As if man himself was a god. (Creationists, etc...)
On the other, we have those hold humanity as being outside of, and below nature. As if man was the devil.

How hard is it to accept than humanity is as much a part of our natural world as the ant and the elephant?

 

[Thief]

I have never understood this line of thinking.
On one extreme we have those who hold humanity above nature. As if man himself was a god. (Creationists, etc...)
On the other, we have those hold humanity as being outside of, and below nature. As if man was the devil.

How hard is it to accept than humanity is as much a part of our natural world as the ant and the elephant?

Of mice and men.....both soil the nest.

That you fail this one understanding..... is indicative of your failing to understand....
other perspectives.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Of mice and men.....both soil the nest.

That you fail this one understanding..... is indicative of your failing to understand....
other perspectives.

I understand that every living creature on earth is a threat somehow to another creature. And that none are above or below nature itself.
Man, with his unique abilities within nature, is able to take responsibility for his actions.
But like I said, Man is neither God nor Demon. Man is as much a part of nature as the mouse.

 

[PolyHedral]

The golden rule is a spiritual concept.

The golden rule is a mathematical concept.

 

[Thief]

The golden rule is a mathematical concept.

I took a quick look....

But in reducing the golden rule to anything less than spiritual....
reduces the concept.

And the afterlife....thrives on it.

Apparently you won't.

 

[Thief]

I understand that every living creature on earth is a threat somehow to another creature. And that none are above or below nature itself.

This is a contradiction to your first sentence.
Man, with his unique abilities within nature, is able to take responsibility for his actions.
But like I said, Man is neither God nor Demon. Man is as much a part of nature as the mouse.

At present you are denying your spiritual future.
Persistence can make it happen.

 

[waitasec]

And the afterlife....thrives on it.

Apparently you won't.

how do you know there's an after life?

 

[tumbleweed41]

At present you are denying your spiritual future.
Persistence can make it happen.

What spiritual future?
Define spiritual.

 

[Thief]

And to each one here....

Do you really think that reflection in the mirror.....is you?

 

[Father Heathen]

Man is a creature that soils the nest.

Humanity is terminal.

Interesting how God's love can turn one into a self-loathing misanthrope.

 

[Thief]

Interesting how God's love can turn one into a self-loathing misanthrope.

And love is universal?

God loves everyone?

No conditions?

And as much as He loves...He is not allowed to hate?

Not allowed to crush what He hates?

 

[Father Heathen]

And to each one here....

Do you really think that reflection in the mirror.....is you?

Do you think that's air you're breathing now?