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In the beginning...

DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Think about what say for just a moment: if I will "not believe one who came back from the dead...." Okay, where is he? If he's not dead, he should be around to tell me himself, right? Or wait, is he dead again, and can't? What on earth is the point of being able to defeat death only to be dead again?

It should be clear to you, by the kinds of questions I ask, why I think your "reasons" have no validity except mere superstition.
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It's clear to me you have a lack of faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Darkstorn said:
Are you sure it's not?

That being said, you can't assume any of that from his post. You merely want to.
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there are 7billion copies of a learning device on this planet

I do assume.......some of us will survive the last breath

your stance is contrary......no one makes it
not one chance in billions
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
DavidFirth said:
Well, Christ rose from the dead. Other religions have the tombs of their founders to grieve of their loss.
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So I've heard. However, nobody ever sees him, these days, have you noticed? So, if he rose from the dead, do we assume he's alive? If he's alive, where is he? If he isn't alive, then he's dead. What, really, is the point of raising yourself from the dead only to be dead again?
 
Mister Silver

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
DavidFirth said:
It's clear to me you have a lack of faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God.
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See, I don't want to please god. If pleasing a god is what is necessary, then clearly that god is undeserving.

A true god would not be concerned with needless validation, after all.
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
DavidFirth said:
It's clear to me you have a lack of faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God.
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Yes, well it should probably be clear to you by now that I'm not actually trying to "please God." I find it a tremendous waste of energy and resources to try to please anything that doesn't exist. Hell, it's not even that easy to please a lot that does exist - including your family, your government and mother-in-law. And they actually exist.
 
DavidFirth

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Evangelicalhumanist said:
So I've heard. However, nobody ever sees him, these days, have you noticed? So, if he rose from the dead, do we assume he's alive? If he's alive, where is he? If he isn't alive, then he's dead. What, really, is the point of raising yourself from the dead only to be dead again?
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We have the accounts of those who ate with Him. But you don't believe them. That's your problem, no one else's.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Evangelicalhumanist said:
So I've heard. However, nobody ever sees him, these days, have you noticed? So, if he rose from the dead, do we assume he's alive? If he's alive, where is he? If he isn't alive, then he's dead. What, really, is the point of raising yourself from the dead only to be dead again?
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if He is dead.....altogether.....

no one has any hope of spiritual life
If Someone of His ability has failed
there's a hole in the ground for each of us

end of story
 
Evangelicalhumanist

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Thief said:
i see the assumption.....life is material
are you sure?
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Yes I am, actually. There is no "life" that you could show me, you, or anybody else that is not material. You may, of course, believe in such a thing, but since you couldn't produce it under any circumstances that either you or I could conceive of, it still amounts to nothing more than something you happen to believe in.

I still believe I'm gorgeous, a freakin' babe magnet. It may or may not be true, just like your belief. The proof of my believe might be, I suppose, whether babes are relentlessly pursuing me in the streets. On the basis of that evidence, I (reluctantly) have to conclude that my belief is not exactly reasonable.

Okay, your turn. You suppose "life" is immaterial. What evidence do you have for that, and how does your evidence show itself in the world you know and can share with us?
 
Mister Silver

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
DavidFirth said:
No, you don't, but you think you do. My God is real. Your version of him is a wisp of nothing.
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You may think that your god is real; and that is the real crux. Personal evidence, faith, is not evidence of god in reality. It is merely personal evidence to the individual. If god wishes me to believe in him, then he must first prove himself to me. Faith is only needed because real evidence of god would mean that faith would be unnecessary.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Evangelicalhumanist said:
Yes I am, actually. There is no "life" that you could show me, you, or anybody else that is not material. You may, of course, believe in such a thing, but since you couldn't produce it under any circumstances that either you or I could conceive of, it still amounts to nothing more than something you happen to believe in.

I still believe I'm gorgeous, a freakin' babe magnet. It may or may not be true, just like your belief. The proof of my believe might be, I suppose, whether babes are relentlessly pursuing me in the streets. On the basis of that evidence, I (reluctantly) have to conclude that my belief is not exactly reasonable.

Okay, your turn. You suppose "life" is immaterial. What evidence do you have for that, and how does your evidence show itself in the world you know and can share with us?
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if I could show you.....it would be material
not spiritual

duh
 
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