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- Thread starter Ted Evans
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No, it is reality. Belief is irrelevant.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
I will do an op for that.....look for it
gnostic
The Lost One
Sorry, but I don't care for any kingdom.
Monarch can too easily become autocratic tyrant.
Characterizing scripture as fiction is childish name-calling at best. This is particularly true of Hebrew 'Scripture.' It's really hard to believe that you don't know better so why do it?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
so too.....the servants
Scripture has historical and fictional aspects. The description of deities and spirits is fictional. The description of towns and buildings *may* be historical.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
the story.....is the important part
how it affects your next thought and feeling makes all the difference
but then again....the defensive habit of dismissal could close your mind
and nothing will happen to 'you'
Not a problem.Sorry, Jayhawker. I did click "like" for your own response.
Parenthetically, it is widely recognized that numbers such as 7, 20, and 40, and their multiples as largely symbolic. So, for example:
"Some (compare Wellhausen, "Prolegomena zur Geschichte Israels", 2d ed., 1883, i. 285) are inclined to see in the 480 years which are stated (I Kings vi. 1) to have passed between the Exodus and the building of the Temple of Solomon a multiplication of forty by twelve, or the round number of twelve generations." - source
So you say, but 'fictional' implies a conscious fabrication and your choice of the term is, in my opinion, agenda-driven and petty.
gnostic
The Lost One
I am asking which thread you are intending to start.
Would it about comparing translations of scriptures? Or about the timeline?
Odin doesn't care about faith. He prefers courage.
How is calling scripture fiction less acceptable behavior than calling it fact?
I consider most of scripture fiction as well. Are you saying that I should know better than to post that?
Save for the implied ad hominem, it is not. So, for example, I would apply neither term to the Tanakh.
That is not my implication. Myths and legends, even if believed, are still fictional.
Which is the nature of all fiction.
Defensive? No, just focused on truth rather than fiction.
And if it is spiritual and not material, it is not "life" -- and that is by definition.
And though I don't usually say things like "duh," I think in this case I'm entitled to say, "right back at ya!"
You are correct in part -- I don't believe them. For the most part, in fact those accounts do not even claim to have been written by anyone who ate with Him. Mark, for example, surely ate with Peter, but there's nothing whatever to say he ate with Christ. Same with Luke the Evangelist.Matthew, according to most scholars, was not written by an eye-witness (Matthew the tax-collector). And the majority of scholars do not think John was written by John the Apostle, son of Zebedee.
You are incorrect in the other part -- it is not my problem. My not believing something that you happen to believe presents no problem whatever to me. Probably in much the same way that your lack of belief in the Hindu pantheon is not a problem for you.
Vocabulary.com/dictionary/fiction ...
fiction
A fiction is a deliberately fabricated account of something. It can also be a literary work based on imagination rather than on fact, like a novel or short story.
The Latin word fictus means “to form,” which seems like a good source for the English word fiction, since fiction is formed in the imagination. Like its literary cousins fable, legend, and myth, however, fiction has a slightly darker additional meaning: a deliberate lie or untruth. When we talk about "the line between fact and fiction," we're talking about the difference between truth and lies.
The Latin word fictus means “to form,” which seems like a good source for the English word fiction, since fiction is formed in the imagination. Like its literary cousins fable, legend, and myth, however, fiction has a slightly darker additional meaning: a deliberate lie or untruth. When we talk about "the line between fact and fiction," we're talking about the difference between truth and lies.