Indoctrination: is it right or wrong?

[viole]

Hello guys.

First off, I understand that indoctrination is feeding teachings, namely religious, to children while they are growing up living with their guardians.

According to that definition, do you see it is right or wrong?

I say it is right by default and place, as guardians are the ones responsible in upbringing children and they teach them what they see right for their future. Exceptions are always their, but please don't use that as an excuse here in your assessment. My threads always go within the norms and standards; the default position.

It depends. Do you think it is right or wrong to indoctrinate children to the Christian tenets, for instance?


If not, why not?

If yes, why yes?


Ciao

- viole

 

[Smart_Guy]

It depends. Do you think it is right or wrong to indoctrinate children to the Christian tenets, for instance?


If not, why not?

If yes, why yes?


Ciao

- viole

Ehhm... the topic is not about a specific religious indoctrination, it is about indoctrination in itself as a default practice regardless to the content. I already answered the related counterpart question in the OP

So, it depends on what exactly? You could answer that with a statement instead of another question, you know

 

[viole]

Ehhm... the topic is not about a specific religious indoctrination, it is about indoctrination in itself as a default practice regardless to the content. I already answered the related counterpart question in the OP

So, it depends on what exactly? You could answer that with a statement instead of another question, you know

Every indoctrination involves specifics. So, I am not sure what your point is.

If there is a specific for which indoctrination is wrong, then indoctrination is unreliable, in general. Obviously.

Is that statement enough?

Now, suppose a man in Alabama indoctrinates his kids by saying

1) You should not steal, nor rape nor kill
2) Jesus is the son of God and muslims are all terrorists who will go to Hell

Do you think this form of indictrination is right or wrong? Next question: which part can the kid know to be wrong?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Father Heathen]

Thank you for the reply.

I'm confused tho. "Yes" for what exactly? Also, the involved here are immature children who don't have the faculty to agree or disagree with the parents, or don't have the pleasure to do it anyway, and I gave examples like that children don't get to choose not to go to school.

So basically, if the children should be given a choice to follow religion (they can't as explained above), they should also be given a chance to drink alcohol, watch/practice porn or get married, for example. I know they shouldn't, but I'm suggesting this because of what I see a double standard against religious indoctrination.

There is no double standards because none of those things are remotely comparable. Obviously, We don't allow children to do some things because they come with real, tangible, undesirable consequences. This doesn't apply to the often arbitrary and superstitious tenets of religion.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Hello guys.

First off, I understand that indoctrination is feeding teachings, namely religious, to children while they are growing up living with their guardians.

According to that definition, do you see it is right or wrong?

I say it is right by default and place, as guardians are the ones responsible in upbringing children and they teach them what they see right for their future. Exceptions are always their, but please don't use that as an excuse here in your assessment. My threads always go within the norms and standards; the default position.

Well in terms of equimanity within a group, family, community, or otherwise, indoctrination can prove beneficial and a form of stability. People know what to expect and do.

Downside there's less individual choice, it can lead to stagnation and intolerance when it comes to views that leaves the parameters of what's been indoctrinated and creates instability. It can prove a hinderance for progression and advancement expanding one's horizons.

Imv

 

[Smart_Guy]

There is no double standards because none of those things are remotely comparable. Obviously, We don't allow children to do some things because they come with real, tangible, undesirable consequences. This doesn't apply to the often arbitrary and superstitious tenets of religion.

Well in terms of equimanity within a group, family, community, or otherwise, indoctrination can prove beneficial and a form of stability. People know what to expect and do.

Downside there's less individual choice, it can lead to stagnation and intolerance when it comes to views that leaves the parameters of what's been indoctrinated and creates instability. It can prove a hinderance for progression and advancement expanding one's horizons.

Imv

Interesting thoughts!

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Every indoctrination involves specifics. So, I am not sure what your point is.

If there is a specific for which indoctrination is wrong, then indoctrination is unreliable, in general. Obviously.

Is that statement enough?

Now, suppose a man in Alabama indoctrinates his kids by saying

1) You should not steal, nor rape nor kill
2) Jesus is the son of God and muslims are all terrorists who will go to Hell

Do you think this form of indictrination is right or wrong? Next question: which part can the kid know to be wrong?

Ciao

- viole

It is not about enough or good answers, it is about the contribution. So yes, that statement is enough. Thanks!

As for your further questions, I'll try to answer them for you even tho they are off-topic and go under the exceptional cases I referred twice before, but I'll answer them in the light of the topic.

That form of indoctrination is okay, just I said that indoctrination in general is okay, but (to satisfy your curiosity) the contents it has is questionable and controversial. That parent could be under the impression that that kind of indoctrination is right and fair so they teach it to their children out of care for their future.

 

[Thanda]

If you are installing a belief concerning common ethics and morality, that's probably right.

Common to whom?

 

[Thanda]

Teach your children how to think for themselves and question everything first, so when they grow up they will have the means to know right from wrong, or to question the things that are taught to them, because all they are without questioning is conditioning and programmed robots.

This may sound wise, but is it practical? There are so many things to learn and do in life - is it reasonable to "question everything first". Did you first question holding a girls hand before you did it?

 

[Onyx]

Hello guys.

First off, I understand that indoctrination is feeding teachings, namely religious, to children while they are growing up living with their guardians.

According to that definition, do you see it is right or wrong?

I say it is right by default and place, as guardians are the ones responsible in upbringing children and they teach them what they see right for their future. Exceptions are always their, but please don't use that as an excuse here in your assessment. My threads always go within the norms and standards; the default position.

I think parents should do what they feel is right until adulthood, but accept alternative views with love and understanding if that becomes an issue later.

A person should never feel hated by their parents.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Common to whom?

To humans in general.
Don't cheat others or lie about stupid stuff.
Don't fight unless you have to.
Take education seriously.
Help out elderly people.
Don't go out of your way to please just anyone, or be an ***hole to just anyone.
Stay away from stuff that'll get you thrown in jail.

Most importantly, don't be that person who cuts people off in traffic.

 

[Thanda]

To humans in general.
Don't cheat others or lie about stupid stuff.
Don't fight unless you have to.
Take education seriously.
Help out elderly people.
Don't go out of your way to please just anyone, or be an ***hole to just anyone.
Stay away from stuff that'll get you thrown in jail.

Most importantly, don't be that person who cuts people off in traffic.

But how will that work? Most people don't know "humans in general" They just know the people in their community or society. So is it wrong for a person to inculcate into their children those principle that are "common" to the human's in their general community and society? Supposing for example that community or society is Mulsim or Christian.

 

[psychoslice]

Thank you for the reply.

I'm confused tho. "Yes" for what exactly? Also, the involved here are immature children who don't have the faculty to agree or disagree with the parents, or don't have the pleasure to do it anyway, and I gave examples like that children don't get to choose not to go to school.

So basically, if the children should be given a choice to follow religion (they can't as explained above), they should also be given a chance to drink alcohol, watch/practice porn or get married, for example. I know they shouldn't, but I'm suggesting this because of what I see a double standard against religious indoctrination.

We have to be sensible about it, porn and drugs and alcohol are completely different, where as religion is just a belief, a belief that can condition a child for ever, and everything in the life of that child will be based on that belief.

 

[psychoslice]

This may sound wise, but is it practical? There are so many things to learn and do in life - is it reasonable to "question everything first". Did you first question holding a girls hand before you did it?

I probably did.

 

[siti]

Indoctrination is wrong - full stop...and this must be drummed into all children until they get it!

 

[Deidre]

Yes.

Well, I guess it's subjective.

 

[LuisDantas]

As an aside, the general proposed alternative to indoctrination is Socratic thinking. This interesting article discusses it somewhat, including a (fairly IMO) perceived fragility.

 

[siti]

As an aside, the general proposed alternative to indoctrination is Socratic thinking. This interesting article discusses it somewhat, including a (fairly IMO) perceived fragility...

Yes - that's the kind of thing - I mean the fragility of the alternative method(s) - I had in mind with my ironic comment...the cure might end up being worse than the disease!

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes - that's the kind of thing - I mean the fragility of the alternative method(s) - I had in mind with my ironic comment...the cure might end up being worse than the disease!

Perhaps. But I sure do not feel troubled by that chance.

 

[siti]

Quite! But I also don't think we should fret too much about indoctrination - impressionable minds will have deep, lasting, sometimes beneficial and sometimes harmful impressions made on them one way or another. Forcing the less cerebrally-inclined to "think for themselves" because "taking it on authority" is "wrong" is probably not going to be that effective I don't think. I guess we still have a way to go before the promise of the enlightenment is realized.