Infinite time and space.

[Photonic]

mathmatically speaking there is evidence that space and time were created at the same time.

Reading Einstien will clear up any questions you might have.

we are a creature that have a hard time grasping the dimensions involved but they are there and yes mathmatically proven.

Well, the problem of time is there is no frame of reference we can use to establish time prior to the big bang.

Perhaps in time something will pop up that allows us to measure it but until then it is pure conjecture.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

mathmatically speaking there is evidence that space and time were created at the same time.

Reading Einstien will clear up any questions you might have.

we are a creature that have a hard time grasping the dimensions involved but they are there and yes mathmatically proven.

How do you know space does not exist outside of the universe?

 

[muhammad_isa]

How do you know space does not exist outside of the universe?

How would that change anything?

 

[camanintx]

mathmatically speaking there is evidence that space and time were created at the same time.

Reading Einstien will clear up any questions you might have.

we are a creature that have a hard time grasping the dimensions involved but they are there and yes mathmatically proven.

Mathematics can "prove" a lot of things that have no real existence such as the square root of -1. Even though theories may indicate otherwise, we never have experienced anything other than the here and now. Until someone actually experiences more than the 3 spacial dimensions and any time other than "now", I'll categorize these along with imaginary numbers and other concepts that make for nice equations but don't have any basis in reality.

 

[swamplizard]

Mathematics can "prove" a lot of things that have no real existence such as the square root of -1. Even though theories may indicate otherwise, we never have experienced anything other than the here and now. Until someone actually experiences more than the 3 spacial dimensions and any time other than "now", I'll categorize these along with imaginary numbers and other concepts that make for nice equations but don't have any basis in reality.

Damn, I love this camanintx. The only number not designed of concept is 1 (here/now).

best,
swampy

 

[PolyHedral]

Depends, are you referring to the singularity?

Density increases in proportion to the distance from the singularity. Where it approaches infinity.

The density of any part of the black hole is constant. (as long as the mass is constant)

Mathematics can "prove" a lot of things that have no real existence such as the square root of -1. Even though theories may indicate otherwise, we never have experienced anything other than the here and now. Until someone actually experiences more than the 3 spacial dimensions and any time other than "now", I'll categorize these along with imaginary numbers and other concepts that make for nice equations but don't have any basis in reality.

You mean the time dilation (i.e. 4th dimensional warping) that the GPS satellites have to accommodate for?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

How would that change anything?

If there is space outside the universe, obviously space time would have always existed, unless the universe that holds our universe had a beginning too

 

[Photonic]

The density of any part of the black hole is constant. (as long as the mass is constant)

The density is not constant, it (mathematically) approaches infinity as you approach the singularity (or center).



At the center of a black hole as described by general relativity lies a gravitational singularity, a region where the spacetime curvature becomes infinite.[52] For a non-rotating black hole this region takes the shape of a single point and for a rotating black hole it is smeared out to form a ring singularity lying in the plane of rotation.[53] In both cases the singular region has zero volume. It can also be shown that the singular region contains all the mass of the black hole solution.[54] The singular region can thus be thought of as having infinite density.
Observers falling into a Schwarzschild black hole (i.e. non-rotating and no charges) cannot avoid being carried into the singularity, once they cross the event horizon. They can prolong the experience by accelerating away to slow their descent, but only up to a point; after attaining a certain ideal velocity, it is best to free fall the rest of the way.[55] When they reach the singularity, they are crushed to infinite density and their mass is added to the total of the black hole. Before that happens, they will have been torn apart by the growing tidal forces in a process sometimes referred to as spaghettification or the noodle effect.[56]
In the case of a charged (Reissner–Nordström) or rotating (Kerr) black hole it is possible to avoid the singularity. Extending these solutions as far as possible reveals the hypothetical possibility of exiting the black hole into a different spacetime with the black hole acting as a wormhole.[57] The possibility of traveling to another universe is however only theoretical, since any perturbation will destroy this possibility.[58] It also appears to be possible to follow closed timelike curves (going back to one's own past) around the Kerr singularity, which lead to problems with causality like the grandfather paradox.[59] It is expected that none of these peculiar effects would survive in a proper quantum mechanical treatment of rotating and charged black holes.

 

[PolyHedral]

The density is not constant, it (mathematically) approaches infinity as you approach the singularity (or center).

The volume of the singularity is zero; the volume of the event horizon is constant. I don't see how either of those things can vary as you get closer to the hole.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Even if, somehow, there was nothingness outside of the universe, pure nonexistence, no time, our universe then technically wouldn't exist

 

[Photonic]

The volume of the singularity is zero; the volume of the event horizon is constant. I don't see how either of those things can vary as you get closer to the hole.

Edited my last post with some supporting information.

 

[swamplizard]

Zero by its own admission, does not exist.

best,
swampy

 

[muhammad_isa]

Mathematics can "prove" a lot of things that have no real existence such as the square root of -1.

Actually, they are real .. and they're not imaginary either
They are "complex"

Even though theories may indicate otherwise, we never have experienced anything other than the here and now.

Don't you have memories of the past then?
Perhaps your "memories" of the future are hidden from you..

Until someone actually experiences more than the 3 spacial dimensions and any time other than "now", I'll categorize these along with imaginary numbers and other concepts that make for nice equations but don't have any basis in reality.

Oooh .. you don't believe Einstein was perceptive then? .. .. .. BANG!! > . . . <---- pieces of broken time

 

[Photonic]

Actually, they are real .. and they're not imaginary either
They are "complex"



Don't you have memories of the past then?
Perhaps your "memories" of the future are hidden from you..



Oooh .. you don't believe Einstein was perceptive then? .. .. .. BANG!! > . . . <---- pieces of broken time

Einsteins observations on time as a 4th dimension were more for mathematical and modeling purposes than observational.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Zero by its own admission, does not exist.

Absolutely!

 

[outhouse]

Mathematics can "prove" a lot of things that have no real existence such as the square root of -1. Even though theories may indicate otherwise, we never have experienced anything other than the here and now. Until someone actually experiences more than the 3 spacial dimensions and any time other than "now", I'll categorize these along with imaginary numbers and other concepts that make for nice equations but don't have any basis in reality.

true we cannot prove another dimension.

but space time has been

 

[outhouse]

Well, the problem of time is there is no frame of reference we can use to establish time prior to the big bang.

Perhaps in time something will pop up that allows us to measure it but until then it is pure conjecture.

correct as well

prior to the BB we have no knowledge.


the key factor is not to introduce a deity as a source to fill a gap in our knowledge, a mistake man has made over and over due to ignorance

 

[outhouse]

How do you know space does not exist outside of the universe?

space and time were created in the same moment during the singularity.

what exist outside is a guess, we dont know.

what we do know is it is not our space or time

 

[Photonic]

space and time were created in the same moment during the singularity.

what exist outside is a guess, we dont know.

what we do know is it is not our space or time

Correct, time as we can describe it and space as we can describe it was created at the moment of the big bang.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

space and time were created in the same moment during the singularity.

what exist outside is a guess, we dont know.

what we do know is it is not our space or time

And I'm asking how exactly do you know it is not that