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Informing my husband of my change in religious stance

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Yes, he doesn't want to answer the questions. It would be hard.
I heard some advice that might help here: remember that you're the one who changed. Yes, you can't be expected to stay somewhere you don't fit, but remember that he never asked for this, so try to be as understanding as possible and you and he navigate things.

One thing that might help: figuring out ways to take the burden of change off him. Would it help if you spoke to some people at the church to take the questions he doesn't want? Depending on what sort of church it is, it might either help or hurt. You probably have a better idea of that than I do.
 

Baladas

An Págánach
I'm sorry that you are having a rough transition.
Hopefully, this will pass soon and he will become more accepting of your decision.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
I heard some advice that might help here: remember that you're the one who changed. Yes, you can't be expected to stay somewhere you don't fit, but remember that he never asked for this, so try to be as understanding as possible and you and he navigate things.

One thing that might help: figuring out ways to take the burden of change off him. Would it help if you spoke to some people at the church to take the questions he doesn't want? Depending on what sort of church it is, it might either help or hurt. You probably have a better idea of that than I do.

When I went to my local Unitarian Universalist church, which I attend every few months, he was very adamant about never going there as well as never allowing our son to go there either. I offered him to talk to the pastor, but he didn't care at all.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
When I went to my local Unitarian Universalist church, which I attend every few months, he was very adamant about never going there as well as never allowing our son to go there either. I offered him to talk to the pastor, but he didn't care at all.
How did your relationship get to the point where he gets to dictate to you?
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
How did your relationship get to the point where he gets to dictate to you?

He's always been kind of like that, but going to a conservative Christian church reinforces the "man as spiritual leader of the home" mindset. Ugh. He's not a bully, just very sure of himself and very intelligent, so he tends to think he has all of the right answers.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
He's always been kind of like that, but going to a conservative Christian church reinforces the "man as spiritual leader of the home" mindset. Ugh. He's not a bully, just very sure of himself and very intelligent, so he tends to think he has all of the right answers.
Well, no offence - but my dad used to say that if you lie down on the floor, you can't complain when people walk on you.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I'm sorry to hear he's being like this.

I hope you stay strong. Also, I think it would be good for your son to go with you to the UUs. If you can persuade your husband that your religious beliefs aren't subservient to his.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Well, no offence - but my dad used to say that if you lie down on the floor, you can't complain when people walk on you.

I don't act like a door mat, but my son and I do tread lightly so as not to make him mad. I have told him that several times, but until he realizes himself that he needs to change, he will not. He's not very proactive when needing to be introspective.
 
I have been going through some political and religious changes for the past couple of years and have decided to no longer be a Christian, although I believe in God and think Jesus was someone to follow, or a Republican. He's very opinionated, so I am concerned that he will not react well. I am tired of being afraid of what he will say and I am tired of going through the motions of going to the church he likes and will not leave. Any suggestions on how I should approach him?
Just a thought....
It's hard to give advice about how to approach your husband as you are the best judge of that. However, in terms of religious labels I'd like to share a quote from Steve Hagen that I came across when recently rereading Buddhism Plain and Simple. He writes:
"...after thirty years of studying the Buddha's teaching, after priest ordination, after monastic and other kinds of training, I don't think of myself as a Buddhist. Though I am a student and teacher of the buddha-dharma, I don't identify myself with it. When we latch on to an identity...we lock ourselves into rigid ways of seeing and thinking and feeling and reacting...the fact is I'm not anything in particular. Nor are you. Nor is anyone."
Although I have identified with several different faith traditions at various times in my life, I'm thinking more about dropping the labels and just living by the teachings/beliefs that make sense to me. This way of thinking diminishes the debate with family members who have strong religious identity and commitment.
Good luck as you work your way through this issue with your family!
 

Vishvavajra

Active Member
I don't act like a door mat, but my son and I do tread lightly so as not to make him mad. I have told him that several times, but until he realizes himself that he needs to change, he will not. He's not very proactive when needing to be introspective.
Conveniently, he has chosen a religious culture that will never expect him to grow or change. It's why people shouldn't be given arbitrary authority over others: it stunts their growth at the same time it makes them complacent. It's why patriarchy is destructive to men as well as women, even if not in the same way.

In any case, in the 21st century husbands do not get to dictate terms to their wives.
 

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Just a thought....
It's hard to give advice about how to approach your husband as you are the best judge of that. However, in terms of religious labels I'd like to share a quote from Steve Hagen that I came across when recently rereading Buddhism Plain and Simple. He writes:
"...after thirty years of studying the Buddha's teaching, after priest ordination, after monastic and other kinds of training, I don't think of myself as a Buddhist. Though I am a student and teacher of the buddha-dharma, I don't identify myself with it. When we latch on to an identity...we lock ourselves into rigid ways of seeing and thinking and feeling and reacting...the fact is I'm not anything in particular. Nor are you. Nor is anyone."
Although I have identified with several different faith traditions at various times in my life, I'm thinking more about dropping the labels and just living by the teachings/beliefs that make sense to me. This way of thinking diminishes the debate with family members who have strong religious identity and commitment.
Good luck as you work your way through this issue with your family!

Thanks! It's better, but he says he's worried about me and is depressed that we can't share our religiosity and politics anymore.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I hate to say it this way, but true love also means accepting our differences, although granted I don't mean to imply that this has to be totally unconditional. There are many mixed marriages, along with many couples who don't agree politically, and yet they still love each other and work out solutions that may involve some compromising.

The importance is to share in each others agreements but also their disagreements. Disagreements are just a by-product of marriage, so the issue is not that they can be totally avoided, but more along the line as to how they're dealt with. My wife (Catholic) and I (Jewish) attend each others religious services and holidays, and we've been doing this for some 20 years now (we've been married for 48 years). If we can do it, anyone can.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Thirza, I recently picked up a book titled Mixing: Catholic-Protestant Marriages in the 1980's This is the only interfaith marriage book I have, but I think its pretty good. Its got examples of people in situations similar to yours, and what they did and how things worked out.

If you get a chance visit worldcat Mixing : Catholic-Protestant marriages in the 1980's : a guidebook for couples and families (Book, 1982) [WorldCat.org] and see if there is a copy local to you in the library.

Thank you!
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
I hate to say it this way, but true love also means accepting our differences, although granted I don't mean to imply that this has to be totally unconditional. There are many mixed marriages, along with many couples who don't agree politically, and yet they still love each other and work out solutions that may involve some compromising.

The importance is to share in each others agreements but also their disagreements. Disagreements are just a by-product of marriage, so the issue is not that they can be totally avoided, but more along the line as to how they're dealt with. My wife (Catholic) and I (Jewish) attend each others religious services and holidays, and we've been doing this for some 20 years now (we've been married for 48 years). If we can do it, anyone can.

The probability of that kind of union working, however, decreases substantially the further back in history you go or the more traditional you slide along the modern continuum. It hinges on your mutual openness to defy traditional norms associated with the respective gatekeepers of your tradition. In my case, the bf's familial and cultural affinity for Catholicism is fine. It is engaged in at an almost purely ritual level without any commitment to belief or fealty to the church. Under those circumstances I can even stomach participating in my lowly non-Catholic way at midnight mass, at an institution I hope withers and rots away in the next few hundred years. But if he was a believer in the bodily resurrection and the heavenly dominion of Jesus ? If he believed that the church was worth giving away 10% or more of our income? That, I would be far less willing to indulge, and we would never have made it as far as we have. Our values just wouldn't align. There are always exceptions to the rule of course, but in general I doubt it would work.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The probability of that kind of union working, however, decreases substantially the further back in history you go or the more traditional you slide along the modern continuum. It hinges on your mutual openness to defy traditional norms associated with the respective gatekeepers of your tradition. In my case, the bf's familial and cultural affinity for Catholicism is fine. It is engaged in at an almost purely ritual level without any commitment to belief or fealty to the church. Under those circumstances I can even stomach participating in my lowly non-Catholic way at midnight mass, at an institution I hope withers and rots away in the next few hundred years. But if he was a believer in the bodily resurrection and the heavenly dominion of Jesus ? If he believed that the church was worth giving away 10% or more of our income? That, I would be far less willing to indulge, and we would never have made it as far as we have. Our values just wouldn't align. There are always exceptions to the rule of course, but in general I doubt it would work.
Again, I hear ya, but we can each set our own course regardless of history and previous customs. A couple can attend both services, contribute to mutual charities, find churches and synagogues that are accepting of mixed marriage, etc.

Overall religious values, as part of our applications, really don't vary that much when it comes to the basics, and the ones that do vary generally speaking can still be held privately or compromised. Our kids and our grandkids are examples of this, in that they all attend each others' religious functions and we never argue religion-- discuss it, yes-- argue, never.

So, it does work, but that depends on the mindsets of those involved.
 
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