meghanwaterlillies
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Ironically In my culture I get stoned if I don't pick sticks on the Sabbath...
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****ing context please
- Thread starter Spiderman
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Until 1974 the scientific world thought that homo sexuality was a mental illness. If such thinking can exist in such an "enlightened" period then one only has to go back so far to realize there is a bit of confusion. You could read as well where Joseph was confronted with the exAct same thing in regards to Mary. She was pregnant and he did not have her stoned to death. A complete contradiction to their cultural understanding. So i would say joseph totally agrees with your view!!! And that is in the bible.
Spiderman
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Jesus broke the Sabbath, good point!
Spiderman
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I could tell by how you word some of your posts
Koldo
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Do you mean you have to study to become a prophet ? What exactly do you mean by that ?
meghanwaterlillies
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Exactly. To put it more into context how is it that a man is executed as a heritic and then 300 years later a religion forms around that man's teAchings and kills people for being "heritics"? How does an intellectual institution founded by a cultural movement calvimism" who's founder john Calvin has an individual executed as a heritic reconcile that exactly? How does slavery develop, the slave holders give the bible to the slaves they find freedom from slavery, the slave holders find self justification? That created a civil war with the bible on both sides of the line interestingly. How is that possible? I recommend using the word nature in place of God. And then ask how does one understAnd nature determines how one reads the text.
Princeton is that intellectual institution btw
This man knew or should have known God's sabbath Law: "Jehovah said further to Moses: "Speak to the Israelites and tell them, ‘Especially, you are to keep my sabbaths, for it is a sign between me and you during your generations in order that you may know that I, Jehovah, am sanctifying you. You must keep the Sabbath, for it is something holy to you. Whoever profanes it must be put to death. If anyone does any work on it, then that person must be cut off from among his people."(Exodus 31:13,14)
Willful disobedience showed great disrespect for Jehovah and his arrangement for true worship, and amounted to rebellion, IMO.
Willful disobedience showed great disrespect for Jehovah and his arrangement for true worship, and amounted to rebellion, IMO.
Still not sure why the Old Testament should hold much interest to modern non-Jews. If you think it is important, why? I can see good stuff with Jesus, but the OT? Seems like there are a lot better spiritual writings and teachers to peruse. I see Jesus as a liberal reformer of the strict OT thinking.
To be divested of self means to cut off yourself from your own conscience? That's not how I understand being freed from ego. So you're saying that the true prophets of the Bible had severed their conscience sufficiently to see nothing wrong in killing other human beings for violating cultural norms?
Is it righteous to kill someone on the Sabbath, because of some work she might be doing?
Ciao
- viole
buddhist
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The demon named "Context": the reason why there are thousands of denominations claiming to be "Christianity"
Koldo
Outstanding Member
But it is not a cultural norm, it is a commandment from God.
I take being 'divested of self' in that quote as being willing to obey whatever God orders, even if that goes against one's own wishes, desires, and even moral principles. Obedience to God comes first. One particular case that exemplifies this is the binding of Isaac.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Yes, but would lead to people purposefully working in the Sabbath just to get stoned...
Thief
Rogue Theologian
i believe you can
Tumah
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In Judaism nothing comes free. If you want something you need to work for it. Not every ignorant fool gets to become a prophet.
I recall seeing a source that mentioned that during the era of prophecy there were actual schools that taught how to become a prophet, but I can't recall where that source is. But there are plenty of requirements for a person to fulfill in order to be able to reach a state where he's worthy of receiving prophecy.
Here are the requirements according to Maimonides (garnered from the Talmud). Here is a book based on a list of traits a person needs to attain prophecy mentioned in the Talmud.
The author of the latter book writes in a different work. (Translation mine):
However, the students will learn about prophecy in known matters, how to pull onto themselves the Upper Flow and to negate the physical body's impediments. And he will pull a revelation of the Light of G-d and attachment to Him.... And according to the extent they were worthy in their deeds and in becoming purified and carried on in these matters that is [the extent] they will come closer to G-d and the Flow will start to flow onto them and they will attain greater and greater comprehensions until they reach prophecy. And the established prophet who already knows the correct ways to prophecy will teach each one according to his preparations, what he should do to attain the desired goal (of prophetic vision). And so when the revelations will start on them [the students], the prophet will teach them according to matter of the revelation that is being revealed and what is still missing from the goal they desire (ie. prophecy). And behold, they will need a teacher and guide until they have clarity of complete prophecy. Because even though the revelation and flows already started on them, its not that which will bring them to the end of the matter immediately. Rather they will need much guidance to arrive at the end (of acquiring prophecy) correctly, each person according to his level and preparation.
Tumah
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Actually yes. Of the four methods of capital punishment in Judaism, the one called stoning was done by tossing a person off a cliff or high platform. They only actually threw stones if he was still alive at the bottom.