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Inglourious Basterds

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angellous_evangellous

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d3vaLL said:
Is it OK to represent anyone as barbaric in a movie?
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On my reserve and disliking of the movie concerning how Jews were portrayed as

1) Completely barbaric

2) Incapable of leading (Mr. Pitt lead the group rather than a Jew)

It's like having a close friend of yours write a novel and you are the main character, and it shows only your faults with a mixture of truth and falsehood.

For similar reasons, the movie District 9, which portrays Nigerians in a very poor light, is getting some negative attention there - Nigeria: 'District 9' Movie Not Welcome Here : NPR

Alternatively, when Rambo 4 - which depicts the Burmese army as committing genocide is historically correct... and welcome by Asian audiences.

On the other hand, the series 24 often has its enemy countries unnamed.

It matters how a people permits people to be portrayed in art.

It matters
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
kiwimac said:
As I recall we didn't. You did not enter WW1 until 1917 when we had been fighting for 3 years and WW2 until 1941 when you were attacked yourself.
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I'll let the photos speak for themselves (all are photos of American military graveyards in Europe and the UK):
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France

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Belgium

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Normandy

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England

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France

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Bellau, France
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
These aren't just Americans that died in WW1 and WW2. These are the graves of Americans that died on foreign soil defending our Allies - and just a small portion of those graves.

It was just a reminder, because gratitude seemed in short supply to one of the people on the thread.
 
monta

monta

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Kathryn said:
These aren't just Americans that died in WW1 and WW2. These are the graves of Americans that died on foreign soil defending our Allies - and just a small portion of those graves.

It was just a reminder, because gratitude seemed in short supply to one of the people on the thread.
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Almost a century and a half a century later, who exactly do you expect to be grateful?

Not me obviously as one half of my family were on the the side of the bad guys and the other half didn't quite make it till you guys showed up to selflessly save everyone after bombing of Pearl Harbour.
 
Kathryn

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Don't worry, Monta - my expectations aren't very high.

It's sad that the sacrifices of the greatest generation are so quickly dismissed or disrespected.

My uncle was a POW in a German concentration camp. In his eight months there, he lost 50 pounds (he only weighed 135 when he enlisted). He was captured in France as he was defending our Allies from Germany. He was 22 years old.

My grandfather and two of his brothers trained US fighter pilots in WW2. Most of the men they trained went straight to the South Pacific or Europe and fought in very harsh conditions. Many of them lie in unmarked graves, or at the bottom of the ocean.

My father served in Vietnam for four years. Three of my children are in the US military and all of them have served in Iraq or Afghanistan. Their father served in the first Gulf War and then again recently in Iraq.

My brother served in the US Marines in Lebanon during the Beirut war.

I've been a military brat, wife, and mother. I've lived around active duty military for most of my life, and on many military bases. I can tell you with great certainty that with very few exceptions, our military are among the finest men and women of character this world over. The ratio of good to bad is much higher than the general population, that's for sure.

Unlike many people today, I am proud to be an American, and I am grateful to my forefathers and to my children for their service, not only to our nation, but to the people of other nations as well.

If you don't share my sentiments, that's certainly your right - your story, your background, your family history have shaped who you are.

But personally, I'm grateful.
 
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monta

monta

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There is nothing wrong with liking your own country, but I don't get what that has to do with other people being grateful for something that , happened a long time ago and that was ultimately self serving. I hesitate to use the word pride because to be honest my upbringing holds that excessive pride is a negative emotion.

My own family history once I climb off my high horse is irrelevent, the jewish eastern european arm of my family was wiped out during the second world war, only my great grandfather survived, but I don't have any bitterness for it, I never knew them :shrug: Ireland was neutral during the war or at least claimed to be.

Being grateful to america for their actions in this conflict makes as little sense as holding a grudge against Germany or Austria. People died from every country, Australia and New Zealand both made massive contributions to the effort and are seldom if ever recognised, yet I rarely hear them demanding gratitude.
 
monta

monta

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So of the 60 - 70 million people who died almost half a million were american, and this proves what exactly?


What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or is the fact that they were civilian men, women and children mean their deaths aren't something for the Japenese to be proud of, What about the internment camps in the US for American citizens who had Japanese ancestry?

I am not saying the US is evil, I am however saying that the US involvement in WW11 was an act of self protection, and there is nothing wrong with that, but to make out the US was some guardian angel of righteousness out to save the world from evil is disingenuous.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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***MOD ADVISORY***

Please remember that this is a thread about a movie... and stay on topic please.

Thanks
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

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I just watched the movie again... and I wonder...

What do you suppose happened to the four Basterds that don't seem to be accounted for?

There were 10, if we count Lt Raine and Hugo Stiglitz.

Stiglitz and Wicki die in the tavern.
Ulmer and Donowitz die in the theater.
Raine and Utivich live.

What of the rest?

Thoughts?
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
I like the film because Hitler got killed. :p

It was good to see Jews kicking Nazi *** for a change.
 
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Wirey

Wirey

Fartist
I really liked Tarnatino's use of red in clothing clothing as foreshadowing. When Brad Pitt left the flower behind it kind of sealed the deal for me.
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
angellous_evangellous said:
On my reserve and disliking of the movie concerning how Jews were portrayed as

1) Completely barbaric

2) Incapable of leading (Mr. Pitt lead the group rather than a Jew)
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I disagree.

First of all, with the exception of the murdered members of the Dreyfus family, there were a total of 9 Jewish characters in the film. So I don't think it's possible to assert that the film is portraying Jews, in a general sense, as anything. And even if it were, I have no reason to suspect that Tarantino is antisemtic. And even if he was, I doubt the Weinstein brothers would let him get away with it.

Secondly, even if you amended your statement to suggest that the 9 Jewish characters were portrayed as completely barbaric, I'd still disagree with you. They weren't massacring civilians They were killing Nazis in the middle of World War II. Even if they were doing it with some measure of enthusiasm and some lack of restraint or compassion, in context I find it hard to accuse them of being even marginally barbaric, much less completely barbaric.

Thirdly, I think you're reading a little too much into it by being bothered that the Basterds aren't being led by a Jew.
 
Poisonshady313

Poisonshady313

Well-Known Member
Poisonshady313 said:
I just watched the movie again... and I wonder...

What do you suppose happened to the four Basterds that don't seem to be accounted for?

There were 10, if we count Lt Raine and Hugo Stiglitz.

Stiglitz and Wicki die in the tavern.
Ulmer and Donowitz die in the theater.
Raine and Utivich live.

What of the rest?

Thoughts?
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I looked it up. Apparently the other 4 survived and would meet up with Raine and Utivich afterwards. It's apparently written in the script but never made it into the movie.
 
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