Insulting?

[ether-ore]

They're the opening six bars to George Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue. A piece I'm attempting to learn, and I emphasize the "attempting."

That guy is really good; and to do all that from memory... impressive. Good luck on your effort.

 

[dgirl1986]

It is insulting if you believe in all of those things. If they stray outside of those particular lines mentioned in the OP, it is usually an insult.

 

[ether-ore]

Big Chesticles: Lady balls of the chest, the non hairy variety.

LOL... who are you advertising for. Are you on the make in here?

 

[dgirl1986]

Big Chesticles: Lady balls of the chest, the non hairy variety.

LOL... who are you advertising for. Are you on the make in here?

On the make?

It was a joke that my step sister and I would make about our lovely chest attributes and how they are chesticles of steel

 

[ether-ore]

On the make?

It was a joke that my step sister and I would make about our lovely chest attributes and how they are chesticles of steel

lol... of steel... that's cute... oh well... have fun.

 

[Levite]

Is some believer using their religion's moral/law to judge/comdemn/preaching to non-believer itself sometimes filling with insult?

You're evil.
You're sinner.
You're immoral.
You're abomination.
You're blind for not seeing a specific god's existence.
... etc

I think in general that offering or trying to force unwanted religious preaching is distasteful and rude. Condemning someone else's religious choices based on your religion is usually a bit offensive, but I tend to think it's mostly best just to ignore it than to take it personally. Unless a person is using their religion to actually act on someone else and attempt to coerce them to live according to the dictates of that person's religion, instead of their own. Then it is more than just insulting and offensive, it is oppressive and tyrannical.

 

[masterp48hd]

Well people who say those things tend to be ignorant and narrow minded so i personally don't even bother to ger angry or offend them.back

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes, I consider those insults, but I don't get insulted if I get them from others. We need to be tolerant and try to not react to what can be, IMO, ignored for not being hurting.

 

[ether-ore]

I agree with Smart_Guy in this way... If one is offended by having it suggested to them that any of Pudding's examples apply to themselves, then it seems to me that the proper response is to ignore the statements (or thoughts), the individual who said them, and walk away. I have questioned Pudding about his concerns and have not received an adequate answer... all that is forthcoming are evasive responses. But I really get the impression that what he really wants are that these religious implications (as he sees them) be silenced on the grounds that they constitute some sort of hate speech. I think he is incapable of accepting that there exist people with different beliefs than his own and the fact that these people believe them at all seems to be irksome to him. He seems to think that the mere existence of these people and their beliefs is a judgmental finger pointing at him. What ever happened to live and let live? What ever happened to diversity?

 

[Smart_Guy]

It's okay, try to not be hard on him.

I lived for a long time in a closed Muslim community and thought every non Muslims existed to oppose me for being a Muslim. It didn't change much to a good enough level even when I joined this wonderful website. I used to take every comment about Muslims from non Muslims as a negative implication. My teachings always told me to be tolerant and ignore any possible religious offense from others if friendly negotiations do not work, but my feelings were not resilient enough to take them without at least getting upset having my mood turned upside down for the rest of the day. Mixing with people from different beliefs and cultures, and becoming friends with many of them opened my heart and gave me practical experience in how to practically be more tolerant, understanding and forgiving.

My point is, please give others a chance to adopt and change to the better if you see them strict about it.

To expect tolerance, understanding and forgiveness from others, we should also try to give the same first. Love for the others what you love for yourself.

 

[Jumi]

Regarding the OP, I've been called all of those multiple times. Not on this site, it's been rare to see real insults on RF. I believe the kind of people that resort to these mostly don't get on the internet and don't register to sites where there are people of different religions and varieties of belief.

 

[Marisa]

Is some believer using their religion's moral/law to judge/comdemn/preaching to non-believer itself sometimes filling with insult?

You're evil.
You're sinner.
You're immoral.
You're abomination.
You're blind for not seeing a specific god's existence.
... etc

Meh, people hurl insults every day. I've had the word "liberal"slurred at me like it was choking the person who let it fly. But it's my choice whether or not to be insulted. To some people, and I see there has a been at least one comment in the tradition already, the mere fact that I don't believe yet continue to draw oxygen is an insult. Not my problem.

 

[Pudding]

Really Pudding? Why should you care so much about what people of faith think.

Why shouldn't i care?
I care because i'm interested in what they think.
I care because religion is deeply affect people's life.

This thread is very much like your other one in that sense. If you don't believe what people of faith think or say, then just ignore them and move on.

This is a religious forums to discuss, compare and debate about the topic of religions.

The fact that i don't believe that people of faith think or say doesn't mean i can't discuss, compare and debate about the topic of religions.

When i see some shortcoming in some religion, then i express my opinion why i think so mostly in a criticize way.

Do you just can't stand to see anyone criticize any religion's shortcoming? - edit

If you don't agree with me then you can also just ignore me and move on.
It's not like i agree with your opinion that you've posted in those previous thread too.

In your last thread along these lines, you indicated an irrational fear of religious influence where such influence is diminished almost to the point of non-existence.

I've hear enough of your false accusations already, no need to repeat it again. - edit

You really have a hang-up on this issue. What is it really? Is it just that people with these beliefs exist that you have a problem with? Do you want them to stop existing? What is it that you want?

I'm interested in religion's discussion/debate, so i express my opinion, that's it.

If you can't stand to see people criticize to some religion, then i'll advise you to ignore and move on, thank you.

I have questioned Pudding about his concerns and have not received an adequate answer... all that is forthcoming are evasive responses. But I really get the impression that what he really wants are that these religious implications (as he sees them) be silenced on the grounds that they constitute some sort of hate speech. I think he is incapable of accepting that there exist people with different beliefs than his own and the fact that these people believe them at all seems to be irksome to him. He seems to think that the mere existence of these people and their beliefs is a judgmental finger pointing at him. What ever happened to live and let live? What ever happened to diversity?

It's you who're evasive and keep giving false accusations.

 

[Pudding]

Hopefully, not many believers are that simplistic in their views!

Okay.

Huh? Non-religious people insult people with beliefs all the time.

That is not what i want to discuss in the op.

And the op didn't mention to deny the fact that some non-religious people did insult people with beliefs.

Self righteousness goes with the territory doesn't' it ?.

I can't get your meaning.

I actually take those as compliments, especially the last one For some weird reason.

Ciao

- viole

That's a possible view in a different perspective.

Well people who say those things tend to be ignorant and narrow minded so i personally don't even bother to ger angry or offend them.back

No problem.

Regarding the OP, I've been called all of those multiple times. Not on this site, it's been rare to see real insults on RF. I believe the kind of people that resort to these mostly don't get on the internet and don't register to sites where there are people of different religions and varieties of belief.

You're evil - okay this is a rare one
You're sinner - this is common
You're immoral - a little bit common
You're abomination - this is in the scripture
You're blind for not seeing a specific god's existence - a rare one

Meh, people hurl insults every day. I've had the word "liberal"slurred at me like it was choking the person who let it fly. But it's my choice whether or not to be insulted. To some people, and I see there has a been at least one comment in the tradition already, the mere fact that I don't believe yet continue to draw oxygen is an insult. Not my problem.

You're right.

 

[Pudding]

I think most of the faithful are of the "hate the sin, not the sinner" mindset. So I don't think they mean insult.

Is the hate towards those behavior(sin) link back to the person(sinner)? Or the hate is non-relevant to the person as the behavior is totally non-relevant to the person which makes it that the behavior can be totally separated from that person?

I know they can be sincerely in wanting to help non-believer with good intentions, but good intentions is not gurantee to give good results when using the wrong method.

As for judging? Let's keep it real, everyone makes judgments about others.

Okay.

 

[Pudding]

It is insulting if you believe in all of those things.

a conversation between A and B.
A: B is stupid.
B: I don't think so.

Therefor A is not insult B?

If they stray outside of those particular lines mentioned in the OP, it is usually an insult.

For example?

 

[Pudding]

I really don't hear a lot of people of faith just dismissing people in this manner. In fact, we have teachings against condemning others, which covers all that you listed (they're all condemnations). We know that there are those who do this, but it's against the teachings of the faith.
At this point in my life, I've realized that life is too short to worry about what others think about me. As a Christian, I believe it's important what God thinks of me.

I think in general that offering or trying to force unwanted religious preaching is distasteful and rude. Condemning someone else's religious choices based on your religion is usually a bit offensive, but I tend to think it's mostly best just to ignore it than to take it personally. Unless a person is using their religion to actually act on someone else and attempt to coerce them to live according to the dictates of that person's religion, instead of their own. Then it is more than just insulting and offensive, it is oppressive and tyrannical.

Yes, I consider those insults, but I don't get insulted if I get them from others. We need to be tolerant and try to not react to what can be, IMO, ignored for not being hurting.

It's okay, try to not be hard on him.

I lived for a long time in a closed Muslim community and thought every non Muslims existed to oppose me for being a Muslim. It didn't change much to a good enough level even when I joined this wonderful website. I used to take every comment about Muslims from non Muslims as a negative implication. My teachings always told me to be tolerant and ignore any possible religious offense from others if friendly negotiations do not work, but my feelings were not resilient enough to take them without at least getting upset having my mood turned upside down for the rest of the day. Mixing with people from different beliefs and cultures, and becoming friends with many of them opened my heart and gave me practical experience in how to practically be more tolerant, understanding and forgiving.

My point is, please give others a chance to adopt and change to the better if you see them strict about it.

To expect tolerance, understanding and forgiveness from others, we should also try to give the same first. Love for the others what you love for yourself.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Desert Snake]

That is not what i want to discuss in the op.

And the op didn't mention to deny the fact that some non-religious people did insult people with beliefs.

Except, that is part of the subject. That is going to affect how we, or I , read your OP.

 

[Pudding]

Except, that is part of the subject. That is going to affect how we, or I , read your OP.

Okay, i agree it's relevant to the op.

 

[JustWondering]

Is the hate towards those behavior(sin) link back to the person(sinner)? Or the hate is non-relevant to the person as the behavior is totally non-relevant to the person which makes it that the behavior can be totally separated from that person?

I know they can be sincerely in wanting to help non-believer with good intentions, but good intentions is not gurantee to give good results when using the wrong method.

I never said it made sense or was effective, just that I don't think they mean insult.