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Interspecies Marriage

David1967

David1967

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Skwim said:
Sorry not all real world issues come with pink bows and a PG rating, but they exist nonetheless. If they're too disturbing you can always change the channel.


And why shouldn't a real life issue deserve serious thought? Consider:

Bestiality/zoophilia are, in fact, actual human sexual practices (Wikipedia article)
Do you think they are moral? If not why not?
Do you think they should be legal? If not why not?​

Now, are such questions simply witless silliness, or do they deserve reasoned answers? Think your church would dismiss them out of hand as irrelevant issues not worthy of consideration. In other words, if a member came your church with concerns with his bestiality would the head of your church simply say, "Do what thou wilt. It's of no consequence"?

Or perhaps making light of it as you have here, is simply a defense mechanism. :shrug:
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:confused:UHM ..........I got nothin
 
Curious George

Curious George

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1robin said:
I re-read what I wrote. I don't know how to make it clearer. The time periods your discussing are impossible to acquire moral lessons from with enough clarity to be of any use. I can give you a blanket statement from the bible that would cover that time frame though. Actually you have two paths determined by which interpretation you have. If you think Adam was the first human being to ever live then he lived far longer than these silly genealogy estimates people have made and man has always had a soul (and been a nephish creature). IOW when God said we are made in his image he obviously did not mean we look like him. He meant as he states other places we are soulish creatures having a God given conscience that comes with having a soul. Or if you take the interpretation that Adam was not the first human being but the first to be given a soul then the same implications would be the same after that point. When Moses came down from the mountain he did not invent morality. Man had known not to kill since they had first had souls and God given consciences thousands of years before Moses' grandfather was born. Moses was merely sourcing their moral intuitions with the single God and also validating their supernatural apprehension of an objective moral realm.


I gave an argument with evidence, you cannot counter it with a platitude which you cannot possibly have access to enough information to justify even saying it within an argument, which it wasn't.



I think your trying to dismiss my claim by appealing to a fallacy called the appeal to numbers. That only applies to proof claims which I did not make. Also Christianity is the only religion in the history of man to demand and offer proof of the divine up front as the entry event into the faith. IOW Christianity set it's self up to instantly commit suicide if untrue. The fact that it flourishes even when the largest empires on earth are trying to eradicate it makes it about the thing most opposite to snake oil imaginable. No other religion offers proof at the entry point to it and only a few offer it to a rare and select few that I can never seem to find or find anyone who knows one so I may question him. Most other religions faith requirements are merely intellectual consent to propositions which the adherent has no access to what so ever, and will not have access to any subjective proof until it is too late to realize the mistake.
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Abrahamic religions had no concept of soul before Greek intervention.

I don't need to set forth any argument regarding morality and ethics. They have plenty. It is a silly nonsense claim that supernatural is necessary to ground a universal morality. It is just plain wrong. There is no other way around it. If you want to discuss it, start a thread. Tag me. I will gladly show up.

Nope, I am not trying to dismiss your claim. You objected to my use of snake oil as a metaphor, I retracted it. You said it was unfair and didn't fit. Yet there was a point behind my metaphor. You seem to have understood that point, but felt the metaphor was not fitting because of...tangents. So, I happily withdraw the metaphor and leave the point.

That said, I explained why I felt your reasoning on the fairness of the metaphor was mistaken. But, you needn't fix that or argue it. You can simply bask in the knowledge that I needn't use the metaphor.
 
vaguelyhumanoid

vaguelyhumanoid

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Before the federal legalization of gay marriage, opposition to gay marriage was actually correlated with legality of cousin marriage and bestiality:
 
cambridge79

cambridge79

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dave_ said:
Now we've gotten over homosexual marriage now its time we discuss interspecies marriage.i say we being to act like responsible people and accept the reality of zoophilia.For example if a man living a lonely life falls in love with his favourite animal or a women having impressed with the greatness of her horses penis and falls in love who are we to judge them.And isn't god all about love.So i want to see interspecies marriages taking place at the churches right now.What do you think?Hasn't the time come we drop our prejudices about zoophilia?
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we have barber shop where people are allowed to cut your hairs, i think it's time we allow limb shops where people are allowed to cut your arms and legs.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
vaguelyhumanoid said:
Before the federal legalization of gay marriage, opposition to gay marriage was actually correlated with legality of cousin marriage and bestiality:
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That's certainly believable. Red neck gay haters out in the barn either carousin' with bossy or rolling in the hay with cousin Loretta.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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leibowde84 said:
Source?
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Ben Carson made comments which used pedophilia and bestiality alongside homosexuality as groups who don't get to redefine marriage. He came out later and said he wasn't equating those positions, and that he respected homosexuality, but doesn't allow them the right to redefine marriage. Make of that as you will.

From transcript : Hannity interview

DR. BENJAMIN CARSON: Well, my thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It's a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they Nambla, be they people who believe in bestiality, it doesn't matter what they are, they don't get to change the definition.

So it's not something that's against gays. It's against anybody who wants to come along and change the fundamental definitions of pillars of society. It has significant ramifications.
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vaguelyhumanoid

vaguelyhumanoid

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OK, I checked again and this is what I could find.

Cousin marriage legality:

cousinMarrMap.jpg



Article on state bestiality laws (map is confusing): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooph...rritorial.2C_and_local_laws_against_zoophilia
 
Shad

Shad

Veteran Member
dave_ said:
Now we've gotten over homosexual marriage now its time we discuss interspecies marriage.i say we being to act like responsible people and accept the reality of zoophilia.For example if a man living a lonely life falls in love with his favourite animal or a women having impressed with the greatness of her horses penis and falls in love who are we to judge them.And isn't god all about love.So i want to see interspecies marriages taking place at the churches right now.What do you think?Hasn't the time come we drop our prejudices about zoophilia?
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Animals can not consent to marriage, animals are not citizens but property. Argument over, you lost.
 
lewisnotmiller

lewisnotmiller

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Revoltingest said:
Evidence?
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Check my post preceding yours for an example of what I've seen (although I'm obviously not who you were asking).
It's not a direct 'gay marriage = bestiality' scenario. It's more 'gay marriage = thin edge of a wedge that ends in bestiality'.

But the inference is telling, imho.

Incidentally, Carson was just the first example I grabbed that I thought would be familiar to people. An Australian sitting minister said almost the exact same thing, which I can link to as a second example, but didn't really seem to be required.
There are also (obviously) a million examples on the internet, but whether they are even worth accepting is debateable given that anyone with a brain cell and the ability to hire a second one gets to put up opinions on the interweb. Not casting aspersions at anyone around THIS place of course, since we're all clearly of the multiple brain cell brigade.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
lewisnotmiller said:
Check my post preceding yours for an example of what I've seen (although I'm obviously not who you were asking).
It's not a direct 'gay marriage = bestiality' scenario. It's more 'gay marriage = thin edge of a wedge that ends in bestiality'.

But the inference is telling, imho.

Incidentally, Carson was just the first example I grabbed that I thought would be familiar to people. An Australian sitting minister said almost the exact same thing, which I can link to as a second example, but didn't really seem to be required.
There are also (obviously) a million examples on the internet, but whether they are even worth accepting is debateable given that anyone with a brain cell and the ability to hire a second one gets to put up opinions on the interweb. Not casting aspersions at anyone around THIS place of course, since we're all clearly of the multiple brain cell brigade.
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That doesn't appear to be evidence for his specific claim.
 
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