Iran restricts "Western" social sciences

[Meow Mix]

Aaaaaah!! This is your opinion. I'd like to know what Iranians think of all this. It's Iranians' decisions after all, not you.
Secondly there are things on your list that I might not disagree with and there are others that I may disagree with, just to let you know. And yes, we will go into countless heated arguments.

It isn't my opinion that they killed people without trials, wrote gender inequality into the law, lack of religious freedom, etc. -- those are facts.

If you mean it's my opinion that those things are wrong, then yeah, I can see that point. I don't understand why someone would agree with any of the things I mentioned though.

However it remains a fact, regardless of our opinions of the things I mentioned, because they fulfill the definition of despotism, which involves an individual or a party ruling absolutely without protecting the rights of its citizens. Iran has a theocratic despotic government that doesn't protect its citizens rights, particularly its women, its Bahai, its irreligious, its homosexuals, its youth, and many more.

 

[Meow Mix]

The problem with any thread about Islam (it could be the same with any thread but I am more familiar with threads revolving around Islam and Muslims) that it take different directions. When I am focused on a certain aspect and topic, I find the thread has went into another direction and then I have to shift my focus to the other topic. To me, it's not easy to shift my focus like this and discuss all the variant topics at the same time. I don't know how you can discuss a variety of topics at the same time!! :rainbow1:

lol, I know what you mean, it gets pretty crazy!

 

[AxisMundi]

.....As for secularism; colonization, slavery, racism, "world wars", the nuclear bombs, pollution, destructing and exhausting the planet, decline of the family, suicide and psychological disorders, spread of immorality and indecency and others are things that I usually take into my consideration before I describe secularism as being successful. The entire world payed a lot and thanks to the Western civilization. ......

Do you know what secularism means?

And do you not realize that Muslims are just as guilty of every item you list as Christians are?

 

[Aquitaine]

Do you know what secularism means?

And do you not realize that Muslims are just as guilty of every item you list as Christians are?

D'uh! What a stupid question. Do you not know that Secularism invented Racism, slavery, sin, war and gays?

 

[tomato1236]

The decision is seen as a response to concerns expressed last year by Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah, who said the subjects could lead to religious doubts.

I heard this same thing the one time I went to a Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall for their service. The guy with the microphone warned that many subjects taught at institutes of higher learning may be damaging to a true believer's faith, and should be avoided. I remember thinking, "huh. I guess all the JW's are going to be poor and uneducated withing a couple of generations..."

 

[tomato1236]

Definitely not, I'm against the war in Afghanistan/Iraq and certainly wouldn't be for any other wars (may they not happen!) to "spread democracy."

I may talk a lot of crap on Iran's leaders but I don't like America's leaders either, especially the administration that invaded Iraq and lied to us about the reasons to do so.

Agreed. This sucks. We can't afford it, and even if we could, it's a bad idea. I can't imagine being in a country where America comes and kills thousands of civilians and thinking, "boy am I glad they're here".

 

[Kerr]

I am afraid that Allah words are not debatable?

orders and explicit facts must be submitted as truth.


for example

qura'an 21:30(prophets).
Do not the Unbelievers see
That the heavens and the earth
Were joined together (as one
Unit of Creation), before
We clove them asunder?
We made from water
Every living thing. Will they
Not then believe?


lets take an example about the fact which says "We made from water Every living thing".

If there have been a consensus all over the scientest about something contradict this fact, we must not debate this verse, but we rather shall debate the scientific theory which contradict the verse.

If there is anything the history of mankind has taught us it is that we must always question and debate what seems to be an absolute truth. Otherwise we will never really know the truth about it.

 

[Kerr]

The one that says 'religion is all ****.'

What makes you think that?

 

[AxisMundi]

D'uh! What a stupid question. Do you not know that Secularism invented Racism, slavery, sin, war and gays?

Shall I assume that your reply was sarcastic?

 

[Aquitaine]

Shall I assume that your reply was sarcastic?

LOL - it wasn't obvious!?

 

[gnostic]

Stupidity beget morons, by the hundreds of thousands.

The religious-political groups, as well as their esteem president and their so-called religious clerics, show what a complete disaster when you mix religion with political ideals. I am not surprise by the current policies.

Iran is giving Islam a bad name, at the moment I don't really care. Let Iran create stupid fanatical zombies. If the Iranians were stupid enough to elect the tyrant of a president, then let them suffer the consequences. I've given up caring what happen in Iran.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

This is your opinion. I'd like to know what Iranians think of all this. It's Iranians' decisions after all, not you.

Good point!

 

[no-body]

Ah the bedrock of fundamentalism: ignorance. Whenever any religion claims doubt and introspection is evil you know it's going down a bad road.

 

[AxisMundi]

LOL - it wasn't obvious!?

Hard to tell sometimes on the Internets.

 

[Starsoul]

Definitely not, I'm against the war in Afghanistan/Iraq and certainly wouldn't be for any other wars (may they not happen!) to "spread democracy."

I may talk a lot of crap on Iran's leaders but I don't like America's leaders either, especially the administration that invaded Iraq and lied to us about the reasons to do so.

(a slight deviation from the Op), But even then, 'wars' implemented by the secular mind set will NOT be stopped even if secular voters THINK that they should. A secular Ruling Powerful Mindset will do anything to get what it wants, whether or not its people agree.(contrary to the topic) People in AGghanistan are clueless about WHAT the US army is doing there when ;

1. There's no Alq- leadership in Afganistan, if there's really a thing called alq- anymore.

2. The alqd- is well known to have been formed & trained by CIA, trained UBLaden for several years,and then 'kaboom' he's suddenly 'said' to be from/supported by afganistan, afganis clueless about whats really happening or why.

3. Afganistan's Taliban asked the US to Arrest UBLdn and carry out his fair trial, US said 'We're not interested', Whats all the war about with afganistan when US is not interested in capturing alq- and this pet peeve has a rather strange way of moving to any destination which the Us feels like it should invade, they know he/it has moved here or there, but they can never capture him.

This war will go on, without any reason,without any substantial grounds, what can the secular voters do? it will be further continued by the next birgade of elected Presidency, whether the historians glorify it as a 'mandatory step to eradicate terrorism' or a brave move by the philanthropic nation of the world, Nobody is going write THIS war in the history as an 'unnecessary brutal act',which is its reality.

AND that is why reading history/ sciences written on the bias of ' malevolence justifying bias thought' Of the western writers IS a waste of time to STUDY as an authentic source of knowledge to acquire an understanding of the history and social sciences. True that it can create awareness of a qualitative comparison between the two thoughts, but thats just about it.

Would US include the social structure of shariah and the Favorite subjects of lets say, Taliban in their text books or the REAL vision of UBldn for that matter? Are they not sensitive about NOT having to do anything with 'other irrelevant' social sciences being taught to them?

 

[Starsoul]

Education has always been one of religion's biggest enemies.

Actually 'limited/biased education' is. I'm unaware of the content of the subjects being objected to, but because the source of the said subjects is said to be from a pro western thought pattern, it can significantly contradict with the religious thought pattern.

And educating oneself with religious thought pattern/social sciences also requires years of hardwork and equisite study to actually have some sound knowledge of it. Religion has a vast scope of application and its quite deep in its content as compared to any other documented study of any era.

E.g, Just because Freud would refute morals to be a part of human nature, doesn't mean that moral socio thought patterns (from religion or from self) are all null and void, most of the psyche analysis offered by freud for instance is just a load of nonsense as compared to the psyche/ nature analysis outlined in divine texts.

When your frame of reference is significantly different, your studies , social moral patterns go in tangents to your base knowledge and THAt is a waste of precious thought and time. A slight mention is all that is required to register a different perspective.

 

[England my lionheart]

Its sad and an example of why religion and Government together is a recipe for disaster,Iran has many obvious problems directly due to religion and its obvious a decent education conflicts with religious belief.
This BBC News - Jailed Iranian lawyer Nasrin Sotoudeh on hunger strike and this BBC News - Iran stoning woman not executed, France says shows just how backward religion in Government is and has always been detrimental to Human advancement.

 

[Starsoul]

Its sad and an example of why religion and Government together is a recipe for disaster,Iran has many obvious problems directly due to religion and its obvious a decent education conflicts with religious belief.
This shows just how backward religion in Government is and has always been detrimental to Human advancement.

And a decent education is a western education , always?

WHy , for a very small example, america, the state running without religion has the world's biggest crime rate? what a mystery.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is a stretch to say that the USA run the state "without religion". Religious groups have enormous political influence there, more so than for stance in the UK, which are technically theocratic.

 

[England my lionheart]

And a decent education is a western education , always?

No not neccessarily western although people from all over the world come to our Universities but many Eastern countries also offer a good academic education.

WHy , for a very small example, america, the state running without religion has the world's biggest crime rate? what a mystery.

Not a mystery really when one considers the size of the population,surely a religion run country such as Saudi has more crime commited against Humanity rather than say stealing.