My country has suffered enormously because of religion in its history,we still have the residue of religion hanging around but nobody will be burnt to death at the stake for heresy anymore.
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Iran restricts "Western" social sciences
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My country has suffered enormously because of religion in its history,we still have the residue of religion hanging around but nobody will be burnt to death at the stake for heresy anymore.
My country is fairly secular and we have, if I remember correctly, a way lower crime rate then the US. You cannot look at just one factor, you know
.Of course not saying the west is perfect in any way, no country is, just saying it is not a matter of religion.
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Indeed. And it's worth considering that fact that the U.S. population is quite religious compared to many other Western countries, even though the government is secular. And yet many other Western countries, with secular governments AND a secular population, have very low crime. So the facts really don't show any correlation between secular government OR secular population, and crime.My country is fairly secular and we have, if I remember correctly, a way lower crime rate then the US. You cannot look at just one factor, you know
Of course not saying the west is perfect in any way, no country is, just saying it is not a matter of religion.
Furthermore, in the U.S. I think the overall crime rate is high because there are a few inner-city "ghettos" and bad neighborhoods with incredibly high crime rates. If you exclude those places I bet the crime rate is much lower in the rest of the country (rural areas, small towns, suburban and commercial areas). I've lived in many places in the U.S. and I can't recall ever personally witnessing a crime.
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[emphasis added] Please provide evidence and sources for this claim.Starsoul said:
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I am not a supporter of the war in Afghanistan, but let's get our facts straight. The Taliban were given a chance to hand over Bin Laden. The deadline came and went and then the Taliban said they would *discuss* handing over UBL *to a third country* if the U.S. provided compelling evidence. They had already said they weren't going to hand over Bin Laden, a well-known international criminal (even the Saudis and Sudan wanted him arrested). This was just a stalling tactic of the Taliban and a way to try to embarrass the U.S.Starsoul said:
Source: Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over | World news | guardian.co.uk
Aquitaine
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Hi there.
Just to make sure that you know I am not from Iran, not that being Iranian is a bad thing.
I heard that Spain celebrated the 600th anniversary of his death a few years ago.
You can't equate knowledge with facts. I have no problem with facts. But I have a problem when other people's values, systems and experiences are somehow supposed to be universal truth and standard that should be praised and followed by everyone else.
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Quite frankly, I don't think this is a matter of nitpicking at all.
Would you say Iran is a shining example of a Muslim country or Saudi Arabia,the fact is its easy to pick because theres so much to pick from
I agree,Islam is anything but one dimensional but which Islam do we speak of,Islam like Christianity has many facets
nonbeliever_92
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Not to get too literal or scientific, but how the hell do you paint in one dimenesion?
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I'm not arguing for one side or the other, merely pointing out that each situation and example presented has more than a certain "X" that supports so and so's beliefs. Iran can be looked as a hardline religious government, as well as an economic success that has done well to empower women in seeking higher education and supporting themselves.
Paint was a metaphor for describing the situation in one dimension.
It seems to me all religious Governments that have ever been are hardline and a failure
Is there such a thing as a Western School of thought
gnomon
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If there is it must be a subtle difference as opposed to "Eastern" school of thought. And "Oceanic" school of thought. And "Pre-colonial Western" school of thought. And "African" school of thought. And "Penguin" school of thought. That should cover all the continents.
That is a good point. "Western" thought is hardly homogeneous enough to deserve such a name.