Iran to whip dog owners

[Saint Frankenstein]

Cool!

When I Google image searched for pit-bull, some results showed bulldogs. I thought at least maybe bulldog is a sub-bread of it.

Nah. Pit Bull, when capitalized, refers to these breeds:
American Pit Bull Terrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
American Staffordshire Terrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Staffys would also be included, I suppose: Staffordshire Bull Terrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Smart Guy, also note the description of the dogs given by Kennel Clubs in those articles. They're a far cry from the hysteria that Badger is pushing in this thread.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Smart Guy, also note the description of the dogs given by Kennel Clubs in those articles. They're a far cry from the hysteria that Badger is pushing in this thread.

I like both of you guys and respect both of your views and opinions. No worries

 

[Sabour]

We could go round after round with this, but IMO if God wanted things done a certain way, he would say so in the main holy book. If the Qur'an is the literal word of God, why would He then leave details out, to be recorded and put into Hadith, HUNDREDS of years after the death of the prophet?

Hello ssainhu.

You are half right here. You are half right because If Allah wanted things done in a certain way Allah would have told us in the Quraan. But you are half wrong because you are implying that the Quraan doesn't say that.

Here are some verses that should answer this.

53:1 By the star when it descends,
53:2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,
53:3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.
53:4It is not but a revelation revealed,

33:21 There has certainly been for you in the Messenger of Allah an excellent pattern for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Last Day and [who] remembers Allah often.


3:32 Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allahdoes not like the disbelievers.
3:132 And obey Allah and the Messenger that you may obtain mercy.

4:13 These are the limits [set by] Allah , and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger will be admitted by Him to gardens [in Paradise] under which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein; and that is the great attainment.
4:52 ... obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And... Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the ...

4:69 And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger - those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor of the prophets, the steadfast affirmers of truth,the martyrs andthe ...


Besides that, In the Quraan you would know that you have to pay Zakat, but how much is it for example?

You know that you should establish prayer (Salat), but how many times and how?

few months ago I watched a video about this subject that I found very beneficial regarding that subject. If you are interested here it is.

 

[beenie]

IMO Hadith takes away all free thought. Perhaps God didn't want to be so specific about each and every thing, but leave some decisions up to his followers. I'm not sure God wanted every minor detail of our daily routine to be enforced some several hundred years later.

 

[Woodrow LI]

IMO Hadith takes away all free thought. Perhaps God didn't want to be so specific about each and every thing, but leave some decisions up to his followers. I'm not sure God wanted every minor detail of our daily routine to be enforced some several hundred years later.

While the Ahadith relate some very personal details about Muhammad(swt) The purpose is for us to see how the Prophet(PBUH) lived. It is for us to live Sunnah as close as possible. That we find partially in the Ahadith.

A little information about Sunnah HERE

 

[Sabour]

IMO Hadith takes away all free thought. Perhaps God didn't want to be so specific about each and every thing, but leave some decisions up to his followers. I'm not sure God wanted every minor detail of our daily routine to be enforced some several hundred years later.

One would always see things differently when looking from the outside.

Take a look around you, you will always find people who take individuals as examples to follow but they still have free thoughts.

 

[beenie]

... but there are Hadith telling one how to cut one's nails... like in a certain order.

 

[Sabour]

... but there are Hadith telling one how to cut one's nails... like in a certain order.

Never heard of that one before.

I know for example about the hadith of sleeping on the right side with putting your hand under your head (I think). Following that is a Sunnah meaning it is not obligatory.

Do I follow that?

I have tried between now and than sleeping on the right side but it I couldn't so I just sleep. I won't be held accountable for that because it is not like a must do in Islam. It is just a preferred Islamic way. I believe doing so has its positives just like dusting off your bed before sleeping has its positives and it is a sunnah.

 

[Woodrow LI]

... but there are Hadith telling one how to cut one's nails... like in a certain order.

No they are telling how Muhammad(saws) trimmed his nails. It would be Sunnah if we did the same, but there is no sin if we did different. Read the Link I gave explaining Sunnah.as this is not an act of worship. it is not Fiqh (obligatory) But it is sunnah to do so and if we did such it would probably be considered Mandub (Praiseworthy).

 

[Smart_Guy]

IMO Hadith takes away all free thought. Perhaps God didn't want to be so specific about each and every thing, but leave some decisions up to his followers. I'm not sure God wanted every minor detail of our daily routine to be enforced some several hundred years later.

One would always see things differently when looking from the outside.
Take a look around you, you will always find people who take individuals as examples to follow but they still have free thoughts.

No they are telling how Muhammad(saws) trimmed his nails. It would be Sunnah if we did the same, but there is no sin if we did different. Read the Link I gave explaining Sunnah.as this is not an act of worship. it is not Fiqh (obligatory) But it is sunnah to do so and if we did such it would probably be considered Mandub (Praiseworthy).

Guys, how about we take the middle approach? It is mentioned in the Quran that God made as a nation of the middle (verse 143 of chapter 2 the Cow). The Quran says that we should follow Prophet Muhammad but in the same time Hadeeth is not protected like the Quran. My way is to take from Hadeeth what I see unquestionably right and makes complete sense and leave what I don't, and I take that approach to myself only without debating it on others, but instead only suggest is with some lenient convincing act. I believe the other side has the full right in not taking some of the Hadeeth simply because it is not protected. Collecting Hadeeth was a personal effort of some good people after all and it was in the absence of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Prophet Muhammad said that in some matters we should ask ourselves and our hearts about things.

Bless you guys

 

[beenie]

Smart_Guy for the new Caliph! I think your type of thinking is the only way Islam would stand a chance.

 

[oldbadger]

Don't play dumb with me. You know what I mean by educating yourself. Educate yourself on this subject. Go read. Start with the HuffPost article I linked. I'm not interested in your hysterical and ridiculous rhetoric. You're not winning anyone over with that mess. I'm not the only one who has pointed out your crap on this thread, either. I don't appreciate you trying to demonize an entire type of dog. It's disgusting, ignorant, irrational, genocidal and just flat out nasty. It ignores that every dog is individual with its own unique personality, likes, dislikes and interests. Dogs do not share a hive mind. No "higher" animals do.

You can go ahead and spam this thread with your useless numbers all you want. I'm not reading them and I'll bet that no one else is, either.

Now..... let's see. Your words:- Hysterical. Ridiculous. Mess. Crap. Disgusting. Ignorant. genocidal. Nasty.
I see that you continue to dishonour yourself in words.
This for other members, since you will not read it.

25 dangerous dog breeds most likely to turn on their owners ...
25 dangerous dog breeds most likely to turn on their owners | Dog Notebook
Start telling people their dogs are dangerous and you're likely to begin an uproar; the fact is, however, dog attacks do occur and even against the dogs' owners.
Many insurers will often not provide homeowner’s insurance coverage for several of the dog breeds listed below.

The No 1. Worst...... American Pit Bull Terrier
These dogs repeatedly make headlines for attacking people. Their aggressive temperament matched with their strength historically saw them bred as fighting dogs. While dog fights are illegal, many of the dogs still exhibit the traits of fighters. These dogs were also used for baiting both bulls and bears so their genetic makeup is rather fierce.

Pit bulls have been known to attack children, the elderly, their owners – anyone that happens to be in their path. If the dog feels provoked or startled, it has been known to bite. Many owners swear that their pet would never attack them; however, this breed has led to more human fatalities than any other.

The sheer volume of Pit Bull attacks have prompted many insurers to deny coverage associated with homeowners insurance. Many owners have to seek a special policy for coverage liability protection where their pet is concerned. Of course, some don’t bother to tell their insurer about their new pet and this could lead to problems, especially if the dog does bite or injure someone.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Smart_Guy for the new Caliph! I think your type of thinking is the only way Islam would stand a chance.

No can do... I'm too busy playing video games and looking after my car!

But I appreciate you approval. Thanks ma'am

 

[Sabour]

Guys, how about we take the middle approach? It is mentioned in the Quran that God made as a nation of the middle (verse 143 of chapter 2 the Cow). The Quran says that we should follow Prophet Muhammad but in the same time Hadeeth is not protected like the Quran. My way is to take from Hadeeth what I see unquestionably right and makes complete sense and leave what I don't, and I take that approach to myself only without debating it on others, but instead only suggest is with some lenient convincing act. I believe the other side has the full right in not taking some of the Hadeeth simply because it is not protected. Collecting Hadeeth was a personal effort of some good people after all and it was in the absence of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Prophet Muhammad said that in some matters we should ask ourselves and our hearts about things.

Bless you guys

But who said that we take by all the Hadiths

 

[Smart_Guy]

But who said that we take by all the Hadiths

No one said so

It is just that the amount of accepted Hadith varies from one person to another. I believe we should not neglect it completely nor take all of it, and the latter is already there.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Now..... let's see. Your words:- Hysterical. Ridiculous. Mess. Crap. Disgusting. Ignorant. genocidal. Nasty.
I see that you continue to dishonour yourself in words.
This for other members, since you will not read it.

25 dangerous dog breeds most likely to turn on their owners ...
25 dangerous dog breeds most likely to turn on their owners | Dog Notebook
Start telling people their dogs are dangerous and you're likely to begin an uproar; the fact is, however, dog attacks do occur and even against the dogs' owners.
Many insurers will often not provide homeowner’s insurance coverage for several of the dog breeds listed below.

The No 1. Worst...... American Pit Bull Terrier
These dogs repeatedly make headlines for attacking people. Their aggressive temperament matched with their strength historically saw them bred as fighting dogs. While dog fights are illegal, many of the dogs still exhibit the traits of fighters. These dogs were also used for baiting both bulls and bears so their genetic makeup is rather fierce.

Pit bulls have been known to attack children, the elderly, their owners – anyone that happens to be in their path. If the dog feels provoked or startled, it has been known to bite. Many owners swear that their pet would never attack them; however, this breed has led to more human fatalities than any other.

The sheer volume of Pit Bull attacks have prompted many insurers to deny coverage associated with homeowners insurance. Many owners have to seek a special policy for coverage liability protection where their pet is concerned. Of course, some don’t bother to tell their insurer about their new pet and this could lead to problems, especially if the dog does bite or injure someone.

Unsubstantiated rubbish. I'm disgusted with this whole conversation. Too bad you're so full of hatred.

 

[oldbadger]

Unsubstantiated rubbish. I'm disgusted with this whole conversation. Too bad you're so full of hatred.

Yeah........ let's leave this now, because your state of denial about pit-bulls seems irreversible.
But your actions do seem to differ markedly from your hysterical and insulting outbursts in defence of pit-bulls. I understand that your choice of dog has not been a pit-bull, but one of the safest breeds that can be found. See? Actions speak louder than words.

I'm done here.....

 

[Debater Slayer]

In The Name Of God

This is interesting!

What is Penalty talking about Zionist regime in America ?
Whip? Character assassination? Fade away?

(Translated by Google!)

I miss the facepalm smiley.