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Is Abortion really an issue for Gay's and Lesbians?

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
I believe it depends more on your religioun than your political affiliation.

well, those two things are almost the same thing. The best indicator in 2004 of which political party you belonged to was whether or not you went to church weekly or not...
 
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Majikthise

Guest
Well then, it tends to be the more liberal theological minded movements that are ok with abotions. Rich daddys pay for abortions for reasons other then their religious inclinations.

Rich daddy has to go along with popular opinion in his community or risk becoming an outcast, and churches are a central theme in affluent communities.
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
Comprehend said:
I didn't think I was reducing it to a "slap-fest" honestly I am amazed that anyone would argue that it isn't almost all liberals who get abortions. It wasn't intended as an insult, I thought everyone agreed that it was liberals who got the majority of abortions and so I was applying that premise to the question in the OP. If it is true that liberals get most of the abortions then it does affect their total population and therefore elections.

For those who see nothing wrong with getting an abortion, why would they be insulted when I say that they get abortions?

I'm not insulted at all. I just think it rather unfortunate that a difficult issue is turned into just another way to ridicule or make jokes about those who have a different political ideology. Because of its controversy and its nature, the choice to get an abortion is a difficult one, and that some seem to almost trivialize it (and this happens on both sides) in order to get one up on the "other side" is rather unfortunate, when such effort would be better spent on addressing other social conditions that lead to women having to make such a choice.
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
Comprehend said:
most abortions take place in big cities, big cities are mostly liberal...

The reason most abortions take place in big cities is because it is in the big cities that most clinics that provide abortions are located.
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
If it is true that liberals get most of the abortions then it does affect their total population and therefore elections.

For those who see nothing wrong with getting an abortion, why would they be insulted when I say that they get abortions?

Two good points.

If these unwanted children would have grown up and got jobs, the social security system would be in better shape as well.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
If these unwanted children would have grown up and got jobs, the social security system would be in better shape as well.

What about the human population problem? These children would have gone on to create more children who would create more children who would create more children, etc, etc.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Rich daddy has to go along with popular opinion in his community or risk becoming an outcast, and churches are a central theme in affluent communities.
That's all nice and danddy, but unless you can show that it's related to some official doctrine in their community, it's irrelavent.
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Ðanisty;795775 said:
Well, it's not exactly the same Victor. One side is working to preserve a right we have and the other side is working to eliminate it. Plus, pro-choice isn't about pushing abortion on anyone. Probably about 90% of the people I talk to on a regular basis are pro-choice and I don't know anyone who would push someone to have an abortion. This debate about abortion really isn't about life...it's about freedom.
A right we have? Nature itself knows NOTHING about rights. Rights are formed and interpreted by someones world view. The same goes with our American documents. Anyone voting and pushing something into legislation is indirectly pushing for either a right or to stop something. It's really no different. Both theist and non-theist bring subjective ideas to the table and things form from there. Freedom has never been about doing whatever strikes you fancy (and I know you don't believe this either). So this should at the very least indicate it's bound to STOP some things.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
A right we have? Nature itself knows NOTHING about rights. Rights are formed and interpreted by someones world view. The same goes with our American documents. Anyone voting and pushing something into legislation is indirectly pushing for either a right or to stop something. It's really no different. Both theist and non-theist bring subjective ideas to the table and things form from there. Freedom has never been about doing whatever strikes you fancy (and I know you don't believe this either). So this should at the very least indicate it's bound to STOP some things.
What does nature have to do with this?
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
What about the human population problem? These children would have gone on to create more children who would create more children who would create more children, etc, etc.

Worrying about the human population problem is a moot point when people walk into this country every day illegally.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Worrying about the human population problem is a moot point when people walk into this country every day illegally.

Actually, I was thinking global population. (And immigration--legal or not--is actually keeping this particular country from facing the same underpopulation problem that Japan is currently.)
 
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