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Is Abortion Sin??

Charred.Atheist

Charred.Atheist

Reverend
Khale said:
Religious principles aside, I consider abortion to be murder. As such it should be allowed only in the situations that murder is already allowed:

- Self-Defense: If it is believed that the child will cause irreparable physical harm to the mother.
- War: If the fetal nation declares intent to invade the United States and the mother has been enlisted into the military and ordered to kill it.

For all other situations in which the child is not desired I strongly support adoption.
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What if the mother has been raped and impregnated in the process. Should she have to take care of and bare the child of her rapist?
 
rheff78

rheff78

I'm your huckleberry.
Charred.Atheist said:
What if the mother has been raped and impregnated in the process. Should she have to take care of and bare the child of her rapist?
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Yes, it's not the baby's fault that she got raped. If she doesn't want to rear the child, give it up for adoption.
 
trinity2359

trinity2359

Active Member
Halcyon said:
I don't know about it being a sin, but there are moral implications.

For me, if a woman falls unexpectedly pregnant and doesn't want a baby, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with her having an early abortion.
The body naturally aborts fetuses, many perfectly healthy, below six weeks about 25% of the time. Many women will abort very early fetuses without even realising they are pregnant.
If it's so common for the body (or God if you're theistically inclined) to abort early fetuses for no apparent reason, what's wrong with a woman electively aborting early for her own reasons?

Past a certain point, when the fetus has developed a CNS and especially if it's capable of surviving outside the womb (post 20 weeks) then I would question the morality of aborting. In my opinion the woman has left it too late to change her mind.
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Wow! Someone has articulated my viewpoint on the matter quite percisely! But I do have to question the 'unexpectedly' gets pregnant part. For every man and woman who engages in sexual intercourse should 'expect' to get pregnant even with five forms of birth control at once, LOL - things break, accidents happen, pills are forgotten, antibiotics are taken. Nothing besides abstinence is 100% effective so by engaging in the act of sex, you take on the possiblity of pregnancy. So if you aren't ready to deal with the consequence of a pregnancy - then don't have sex *off soapbox*
[OT - I know, I am a Catholic wanna-be and still personally wrestle with this issue. I acknowledge that I am descenting from Rome on this matter ]
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Charred.Atheist said:
What if the mother has been raped and impregnated in the process. Should she have to take care of and bare the child of her rapist?
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Yes, she should be forced to carry the child to term because that passes along the genes of the rapist, thus rewarding his behavior and punishing her, the **** who asked for it anyway.
 
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Escéptico

Active Member
Sunstone said:
Yes, she should be forced to carry the child to term because that passes along the genes of the rapist, thus rewarding his behavior and punishing her, the **** who asked for it anyway.
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Any woman capable of killing an unborn child doesn't deserve to carry a baby to term.
 
Charred.Atheist

Charred.Atheist

Reverend
rheff78 said:
Yes, it's not the baby's fault that she got raped. If she doesn't want to rear the child, give it up for adoption.
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Wouldn't the trauma of the rape be enough punishment for the woman to endure, let alone seeing the seed of her rapist grow inside her everyday?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Escéptico;1116948 said:
Any woman capable of killing an unborn child doesn't deserve to carry a baby to term.
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What about the doctor who does it?:confused:
 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Halcyon said:
I don't know about it being a sin, but there are moral implications.

For me, if a woman falls unexpectedly pregnant and doesn't want a baby, then I see absolutely nothing wrong with her having an early abortion.
The body naturally aborts fetuses, many perfectly healthy, below six weeks about 25% of the time. Many women will abort very early fetuses without even realising they are pregnant.
If it's so common for the body (or God if you're theistically inclined) to abort early fetuses for no apparent reason, what's wrong with a woman electively aborting early for her own reasons?

Past a certain point, when the fetus has developed a CNS and especially if it's capable of surviving outside the womb (post 20 weeks) then I would question the morality of aborting. In my opinion the woman has left it too late to change her mind.
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I guess that the point on which you touched is one that is valid; at what stage in development is a fetus a living being?

I have to say that, for me, it is at the moment of conception, and therefore abortions are "murder" - but, as others have said, there would, I am sure, be occasions when abortion is perhaps the lesser of two evils.

As for the fact that fetuses can be aborted by the mother's body, that is true, but, without knowing what is God's will in this respect (as a theist), I just have to admit that I don't understand God's purpose....
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Sunstone said:
Right! It's her fault she got raped. Let her pay the consequences.
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She must live with the consequences, be it abortion, raising a child, contracting AIDs or whatever else. That's why it's so awful, and rapists should be executed immediately upon conviction.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Guitar's Cry said:
There are some who would argue that it's a bigger sin to let the woman suffer for the sake of the fetus, since the fetus hasn't the same (if any) capacity for suffering.
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Who cares if people argue that? :shrug:
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Guitar's Cry said:
There are some who would argue that it's a bigger sin to let the woman suffer for the sake of the fetus, since the fetus hasn't the same (if any) capacity for suffering.
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They are fools! The fetus is more sacred than the woman! The woman is just a **** -- otherwise she wouldn't have been raped.
 
whereismynotecard

whereismynotecard

Treasure Hunter
Sunstone said:
Right! It's her fault she got raped. Let her pay the consequences.
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I didn't want to post in this thread, because we are just going to all hate each other a little bit more by the end of it, but before I go to class I'll say this:

It is not the woman's fault or the baby's fault, and I personally cannot see how anyone could allow thier unborn baby to be killed just because they were raped. Rape is a terrible thing, and it isn't fair that the woman would have to give birth to this baby, but it isn't fair to the baby to have to die just because it was created through rape.

Ultimately the mother has to decide if her feelings are more important than the life of a baby, which weather she likes it or not, is her own child. I cannot see how anyone could allow their baby to be aborted. I don't know... I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I let a doctor kill my baby.

Off to class then... I've got 10 minutes to get there...
 
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