Is America a Police state?

[Dirty Penguin]

Cop steals man's money then pepper sprays people......

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These Cops Are Wildin': NYPD Officer Allegedly Takes $1300 From A Man & Pockets It! - YouTube

 

[oldbadger]

Lisa Mahone was on her way to visit her dying mother in the hospital when she was pulled over for a seat belt violation.

Rule:- Always wear your seat belt when travelling in a car.

What should have been a standard, quick procedure ended with a Taser gun and an arrest.

Wow! Rule 2:- If you're going to get sprayed, stabbed, shot and tasered by cops for not wearing seat belt, then absolutely, definitely and certainly get a brain, and wear your seat belt!

Following procedures, Mahone gave the officers her license and proof of insurance. Mahone had her boyfriend Jamal Jones in the passenger seat and their 14-year-old son and seven-year-old daughter in the back seat.
After Mahone complied, police turned to Jones and asked for his license. Jones began to explain that he didn’t have his ID on him because he’d gotten a ticket recently.

........ he'd gotten a ticket? ..... therefore he had no license id etc? Well that leads to Rule 3:- When cops tell you to open your door, Open your door, and don't plunge your hands into bags, pockets, compartments or anything else! Doh...

When he went for a bag in the back seat to show proof of the ticket, the situation escalated.

Rule 324:- In the jolly old USA, don't ever more hands quickly towards anything, do exactly what you are told, don't argue...

This will speed up the Police enquiry and free you to go to hospital to see your dying relatives.

... And the terrified kiddy in the back seat seemed more interested in filming cops getting wound up that anything else.


Thankyou for your post...... it brightened up my morning.

 

[oldbadger]

Cop steals man's money then pepper sprays people......

[youtube]YfpEWPyz3dQ[/youtube]
These Cops Are Wildin': NYPD Officer Allegedly Takes $1300 From A Man & Pockets It! - YouTube

Money? Ahhh... money connected with a robbery, possibly?
Money connected with a drug transaction, possibly?
Was there any money at all?
Did those guys have guns and knives, possibly?

 

[oldbadger]

Man Allegedly Tased By Police While Praying Over Dead Son At Hospital | ThinkProgress

Seems you can'teven grieve over the loss of your child without being at the hands of out of control cops....

A very sad scene.... don't you think?
Of course, that man in hospital, shot in some incident that we don't know about, was the man's step-son.
Do you know why he got shot? Just asking.
You wouldn't know, (why would you?) but hospital staff get attacked all the time whilst trying to do their jobs. It's quite dangerous, working in a hospital, you know.
Rule: When visiting a relative in hospital, do what the medics tell you to do.
Warning: If you weigh 20 stone and are likely to go out of control, expect to get tasered.

Thankyou for your post..... it was most interesting.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Money? Ahhh... money connected with a robbery, possibly?
Money connected with a drug transaction, possibly?
Was there any money at all?
Did those guys have guns and knives, possibly?

I wouldn't guarantee it. They have some strange laws in the USA in this area. There doesn't need to be a charge at all.
(PS. I'm only assuming this doesn't happen legally in the UK or Australia - certainly not to this degree...)

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[Thruve]

I wonder if theres a documentary out yet about how police fight/find crime with marijuana being decriminalized.
That article or documentary would be all the truth we'd need to determine whether we were a police state or not.

 

[oldbadger]

I wouldn't guarantee it. They have some strange laws in the USA in this area. There doesn't need to be a charge at all.
(PS. I'm only assuming this doesn't happen legally in the UK or Australia - certainly not to this degree...)

Yes we can! Yes we do!
I have caused a seizure of £24,000 .....one night!
Two of us were night-watching the premises of a large superstore 20 years ago. We were particularly interested in catching folks who hide expensive items in garden centres during open-hours and return at night for them. We watched a small white van drive up, two blokes got out and then scaled the store's perimeter fence. They climbed over several sets of razor wire (can't explain how, on RF) and were just about to drop into the garden centre when a police car raced past, blues-and-twos going. More cop cars were approaching, so these two blokes jumped back down to the ground and got into their van. After the cops had all raced into the distance these two had clearly lost their nerve and drove away.

We followed them and called the Police, gave our Information number and explained what we had seen and what we were doing. Police caught up with us, stopped the van, spoke with the blokes, searched the van and found £24,000. They seized all and took the blokes' details. The blokes were later arrested for various criminal offences.

So it can happen here. But cash has probably got to be found in strange circumstances, such as hidden in large quantity in a car-boot, etc.

If you buy anything in Britain worth more than about £5000 (maybe £10,000?) and pay cash, the selling company is required to report the transaction to a department of Customs Excise.

Cash = high suspicion these days......... it's all 'big brother'....

 

[oldbadger]

I wonder if theres a documentary out yet about how police fight/find crime with marijuana being decriminalized.
That article or documentary would be all the truth we'd need to determine whether we were a police state or not.

Such a good point!
I think that cannabis etc should be decriminalised, not only because it's sale could be regulated (and taxed) through drug-stores, chemists etc, but it's quality could be controlled, etc.

And then Police would not have that easy-excuse to stop-search or enter-search anymore.
I wonder how many police searches have been saved from complaint because a tiny amount of cannabis was found?

We would save hundreds of thousands of police hours if cannabis was legalised, and then cops could focus on what I call 'real-crime'.

And..... yes..... we would find out how much of our countries' guv'mints are in 'Control-Freak' mode.

frubal, matey

 

[Whiterain]

I can't tell what exactly is happening over the states; police seem to have gotten far more strict over the last
few years. I've been arrested for public intox and disorderly conduct(arguing) twice and to jail
a few times, for arguing. The municipal court systems really reaming people and I do think the
arrest anybody for anything and the municipal court ripping people off is mostly over economic
hardship.

One "ordinance" citation for Public Intoxication and Disorderly Conduct - for arguing in public was
500 dollars for each charge, a $1000 fine. And I was arrested the following weekend again for
the same thing, I learned not to argue with venue's. So I had $2000 in fines over simply raising my
voice in public; my experience in slam was not pleasant. The deputies were borderline sadist,
it wasn't a fun experience. Sitting through municipal court they make hundreds of thousands
of dollars off these BS ordinance citations. I worked with the lawyer and after 6 months
the charges were brought down to $600; but it's like the unconstitutional principle of these
ordinance violations.

As far as America going into a police state or becoming totally fascist I wish you all the best.

The constitution is a borderline hypocrisy. The people have to right to
annihilate the government; but, after the first civil war it was actually made treason even
to suggest succeeding from the union or proposing movements against the Government.

The authorities are one catastrophe after the next lately, it's terrible.

 

[Revoltingest]

Aye, speech is one area where cops do not tolerate its freedom.
Say something they don't like, & you're creating a disturbance.
That's a vague enuf crime to make dubious arrests & assaults
with impunity.

 

[Thruve]

Such a good point!
I think that cannabis etc should be decriminalised, not only because it's sale could be regulated (and taxed) through drug-stores, chemists etc, but it's quality could be controlled, etc.

And then Police would not have that easy-excuse to stop-search or enter-search anymore.
I wonder how many police searches have been saved from complaint because a tiny amount of cannabis was found?

We would save hundreds of thousands of police hours if cannabis was legalised, and then cops could focus on what I call 'real-crime'.

And..... yes..... we would find out how much of our countries' guv'mints are in 'Control-Freak' mode.

frubal, matey

Aye. The thing is though many hefty crimes, such as robberies, drug dealers, narcotics, gun dealers, those with warrants, etc, are caught and found because they got pulled over and weed was seen/smelled by the deputy, which is enough probably cause for them to search the vehicle. Im curious though as to how probable cause to search is going to change when a deputy wants to search a vehicle. Can you imagine how many search warrants are going to be processed everyday? it would revolutionize the way deputies do their jobs dude lol... Everything would change for them it would seem.

How they beat around that bush though is something Im wanting to know because that in it's self will tell us if were a police state or not.

 

[oldbadger]

Aye. The thing is though many hefty crimes, such as robberies, drug dealers, narcotics, gun dealers, those with warrants, etc, are caught and found because they got pulled over and weed was seen/smelled by the deputy, which is enough probably cause for them to search the vehicle. Im curious though as to how probable cause to search is going to change when a deputy wants to search a vehicle. Can you imagine how many search warrants are going to be processed everyday? it would revolutionize the way deputies do their jobs dude lol... Everything would change for them it would seem.

How they beat around that bush though is something Im wanting to know because that in it's self will tell us if were a police state or not.

It may be that 'stop-searches' ..... relying on small cannabis finds to justify.... might uncover other crimes, but the cost of enforcing drug legislation, and the focus mania of the police 'about low class drugs' , is as crazy as prohibition was in the 20s/30's.

I seriously believe that policing costs and unnecessary stops would reduce, revenue returns on legalised drugs would soar and society could benefit..... from drug law repeals. That's what I believe for the UK.

 

[Thruve]

It may be that 'stop-searches' ..... relying on small cannabis finds to justify.... might uncover other crimes, but the cost of enforcing drug legislation, and the focus mania of the police 'about low class drugs' , is as crazy as prohibition was in the 20s/30's.

I seriously believe that policing costs and unnecessary stops would reduce, revenue returns on legalised drugs would soar and society could benefit..... from drug law repeals. That's what I believe for the UK.

Haha I Agree ^ and would hope for that too xD

Personally, though, they need a reason to search. Im afraid of what comes next if they their main reason is now decriminalized.

 

[oldbadger]

Haha I Agree ^ and would hope for that too xD

Personally, though, they need a reason to search. Im afraid of what comes next if they their main reason is now decriminalized.

What a brilliant opportunity that would offer to a nation's police forces.
Explain (to a critical public) that arrest rates would now reduce, thus saving tons of paperwork and freeing up the legal system to focus on other crimes.
A higher % of cops to be redirected to community policing and crime prevention duties (advice, visual deterrent etc)

Frees up police officers for training reviews and refocus on 'conditions and actions' which might attract police interest for stop-search.

Criminal gangs would reduce, simply because they won't have a product to distribute, kill each other over etc.

Extra funding from drug taxation could help to support a better quality of national medical service for all.


Look..... there are going to be some dreadful death stories from misuse, and the press is going to get fat on em for a time, but honest fact finding reports may well be able to answer by showing that gang, drug, robbery, burglary deaths caused by drug legislation were worse..... this I have faith over.

 

[Thruve]

What a brilliant opportunity that would offer to a nation's police forces.
Explain (to a critical public) that arrest rates would now reduce, thus saving tons of paperwork and freeing up the legal system to focus on other crimes.
A higher % of cops to be redirected to community policing and crime prevention duties (advice, visual deterrent etc)

Frees up police officers for training reviews and refocus on 'conditions and actions' which might attract police interest for stop-search.

Criminal gangs would reduce, simply because they won't have a product to distribute, kill each other over etc.

Extra funding from drug taxation could help to support a better quality of national medical service for all.


Look..... there are going to be some dreadful death stories from misuse, and the press is going to get fat on em for a time, but honest fact finding reports may well be able to answer by showing that gang, drug, robbery, burglary deaths caused by drug legislation were worse..... this I have faith over.

I agree. The thing is we're decades away from national healthcare lol (U.S).
Regardless, I hope when we do decriminalize marijuana and class b drugs +, that our taxes on it go straight to judicial districts for each county. The last thing we need is corporals going AWOL and declaring that there be more traffic units, and more focus on minor misdemeanors to rack in more cash for the district.

 

[oldbadger]

I agree. The thing is we're decades away from national healthcare lol (U.S).
Regardless, I hope when we do decriminalize marijuana and class b drugs +, that our taxes on it go straight to judicial districts for each county. The last thing we need is corporals going AWOL and declaring that there be more traffic units, and more focus on minor misdemeanors to rack in more cash for the district.

.... cool. Any move that produces and supports a better society.... is a plus.
Oh.... and I agree with you about all class b+.
In fact, it could be argued for all drugs to be decriminalised, because the more serious drugs could be made available through prescription, just as methadone is available now (UK).
We need to remove drugs from criminal-gang control. If some folks think that makes me some kind of anarchist..... that's crazy imo, because I do believe in good legislation and honest policing.

 

[freethinker44]

This video is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with American police.

They identify law breakers, do nothing because they are police, then attempt a cover-up at 1:29 in the video (by not giving speeds over the air unless they are identified as civilians), then acknowledge how bad it is at 1:50 but don't want to cross the thin blue line at 3:00.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5Es1RiupA0

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Money? Ahhh... money connected with a robbery, possibly?

No information about a robbery so why speulate.

Money connected with a drug transaction, possibly?

No information about a possible drug deal so why speculate. If that was the case then the guy would have been handcuffed and search, read his rights and arrested. What we do see is an officer taking something from the guy and slight tussle after the fact.

Was there any money at all?

Must have been because when his property was taken, mind you that is against his constitutional right, he says to the officer...."Give me my money"

Did those guys have guns

What does excercising his 2nd. Amendment right has to do with anything.

and knives, possibly?

I carry a knife on me. As long as it's within the law I don't see your point....

 

[Dirty Penguin]

A very sad scene.... don't you think?
Of course, that man in hospital, shot in some incident that we don't know about, was the man's step-son.
Do you know why he got shot? Just asking.
You wouldn't know, (why would you?) but hospital staff get attacked all the time whilst trying to do their jobs. It's quite dangerous, working in a hospital, you know.
Rule: When visiting a relative in hospital, do what the medics tell you to do.
Warning: If you weigh 20 stone and are likely to go out of control, expect to get tasered.

Thankyou for your post..... it was most interesting.

I really dont see how any of this matters. His son was dead. He was clearly grieving......

 

[Revoltingest]

An interesting news item....
Citizen Pulls Over Police Officer
I'd never try it.
Not all cops would be so amused by discovering that a citizen caught'm in an illegal act.