Is America a Police state?

[David1967]

yes I 100% agree with you what im saying is for example you stop someone for a traffic violation and ask for DL and proof of INS and they say **** You and refuse to cooperate you can not even raise your voice at them or you risk getting fired. I wish people would just cooperate we are here to protect and serve not harass and beat. second its very simple if you commit a crime you do the time no matter if your an officer or not.

I encourage people to do a ride along with their local PD. At least in my town the PD allows that. Lets the public see the human side of the officers.

 

[freethinker44]

Really " even if every statistic says otherwise" are you kidding me right now idk what desk job you have however im pretty sure 108 coworkers of your did not die on ball point pens this year, yet that how many officers have died in 2015 on-duty.

108? Out of a whole million? Yeah I'm pretty sure that qualifies as one of the safest jobs in America. And keep in mind, half of that 108 was from accident or illness, not because their job is dangerous. Somewhere in this thread are some sources that show that as far as being killed on the job go, police don't even rank in the top ten list of most dangerous jobs in the US, and the 11 or 12 jobs ahead of them are pretty much every other job in the US except for CEOs and middle management types. Sales manager, for example, actually ranks pretty high on the list, much higher than police anyways.

no im not saying police should justify beating however I would like to see how you handle a situation were someone is charging you with a knife and see what your split second decision is. and then have every media outlet question your decision.

Thing is though, that's not happening. The media freaks out over police killing unarmed people, not maniacs charging at them with knives. That's just more police propaganda you're swallowing.

oh and even though your human you are never ever allowed to have a "bad day" and get angry if someone wont listen to you, or your fired and will never get hired as an officer again.

lol, I'm not allowed to have a bad day and assault or kill people. If I do, I go to jail, police get a paid vacation. You're literally upset because police are expected to abide by the same social standards as everyone else. We have police to protect us from people who can't control their emotions and become violent, yet police can't be expected to not be the people we them to protect us from, and they're supposed to be respected for this? How does that make sense?

 

[bluegoo300]

I encourage people to do a ride along with their local PD. At least in my town the PD allows that. Lets the public see the human side of the officers.

ive never been to a place were they will not? I love it let the public see what we do.

 

[David1967]

ive never been to a place were they will not? I love it let the public see what we do.

It works well here. Sign a consent form and you get to observe the patrol and hang out in the squad room. See what goes on and some of the things dealt with.

 

[David1967]

http://www.odmp.org/search/year . Stats are here for anyone who may care.

 

[freethinker44]

there you go you got it Police are not above the law just because we have a badge don't mean we can do what ever. that crap there is what must stop it makes us all look bad because of one **** cop.

That's the thing though, it's not the one bad cop that is the problem, it's all the "good" cops standing around him letting him do that. The problem isn't that there are a few bad cops, the problem is that the good cops aren't policing the bad cops. That cop in the picture is straight up assaulting like 15 people, and the other cops aren't even trying to stop it.

 

[bluegoo300]

108? Out of a whole million? Yeah I'm pretty sure that qualifies as one of the safest jobs in America. And keep in mind, half of that 108 was from accident or illness, not because their job is dangerous. Somewhere in this thread are some sources that show that as far as being killed on the job go, police don't even rank in the top ten list of most dangerous jobs in the US, and the 11 or 12 jobs ahead of them are pretty much every other job in the US except for CEOs and middle management types. Sales manager, for example, actually ranks pretty high on the list, much higher than police anyways.

Thing is though, that's not happening. The media freaks out over police killing unarmed people, not maniacs charging at them with knives. That's just more police propaganda you're swallowing.

lol, I'm not allowed to have a bad day and assault or kill people. If I do, I go to jail, police get a paid vacation. You're literally upset because police are expected to abide by the same social standards as everyone else. We have police to protect us from people who can't control their emotions and become violent, yet police can't be expected to not be the people we them to protect us from, and they're supposed to be respected for this? How does that make sense?

first of course their not in the top 10 in death really what was all the training I got if not to keep me from being killed. second police rank fifth in most stressful jobs of 2015 enlisted military personal are second im an MP so imagine that.
for your second question ok there is a thing called escalation of force if you fear for your life you have the ability to protect yourself if your unarmed but your charging at me and I tell you to stop repeatedly and you don't I will take steps too protect myself and others.
and for your third question im not saying some officer the kills someone for no reason should not got to jail. what im saying is if someone is repeatedly punching you in the head and you slam them to the ground, are you in the wrong was that unnecessary force .

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Really " even if every statistic says otherwise" are you kidding me right now idk what desk job you have however im pretty sure 108 coworkers of your did not die on ball point pens this year, yet that how many officers have died in 2015 on-duty. no im not saying police should justify beating however I would like to see how you handle a situation were someone is charging you with a knife and see what your split second decision is. and then have every media outlet question your decision. oh and even though your human you are never ever allowed to have a "bad day" and get angry if someone wont listen to you, or your fired and will never get hired as an officer again.

Why don't police in other countries handle situation like they do here? In LA alone, cops fire more bullets than every cop in Germany combined.

 

[bluegoo300]

That's the thing though, it's not the one bad cop that is the problem, it's all the "good" cops standing around him letting him do that. The problem isn't that there are a few bad cops, the problem is that the good cops aren't policing the bad cops. That cop in the picture is straight up assaulting like 15 people, and the other cops aren't even trying to stop it.

picture this people are protesting something its starting to turn violent officers are trying to control the situation and one cop does something stupid like that do you abandon your post and tackle that officer and let your section get out of control or do you tell him to stop wait for the situation to resolve itself and then launch an internal investigation.

 

[bluegoo300]

Why don't police in other countries handle situation like they do here? In LA alone, cops fire more bullets than every cop in Germany combined.

a couple of reasons first look at gang related shooting in LA vs Germany then look and gun control laws for civilians in Germany vs LA third did you see the riots in Greece and the UK over the last few years lots of innocent people died. also have you ever hear of Mark Duggan look it up.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

a couple of reasons first look at gang related shooting in LA vs Germany then look and gun control laws for civilians in Germany vs LA third did you see the riots in Greece and the UK over the last few years lots of innocent people died. also have you ever hear of Mark Duggan look it up.

That doesn't explain the difference. Here police routinely execute people, even if they are fleeing and unarmed. Cops very rarely face the consequences of their actions. Police have even tried to take advantage of their position and place themselves above the law. The ones that don't aren't really saying or doing anything about it. All of that needs to end.

 

[freethinker44]

picture this people are protesting something its starting to turn violent officers are trying to control the situation and one cop does something stupid like that do you abandon your post and tackle that officer and let your section get out of control or do you tell him to stop wait for the situation to resolve itself and then launch an internal investigation.

If a protester broke through and started assaulting people, would you abandon your post and and tackle them, or would you just tell them to stop and investigate it later? Whatever your answer is to this question is what I would expect to be done to a cop doing the same thing.

 

[bluegoo300]

That doesn't explain the difference. Here police routinely execute people, even if they are fleeing and unarmed. Cops very rarely face the consequences of their actions. Police have even tried to take advantage of their position and place themselves above the law. The ones that don't aren't really saying or doing anything about it. All of that needs to end.

some of your argument I understand however from a civilian perspective its hard to understand why we do things. I will try to explain as best I can. first laws protect officers from shooting such as fleeing people its call perceived threat if you have a firearm in you hand when you are running away and you look back an officer could perceive hostile intent thinking you are going to shoot at him/her now keep in mind these are split second decisions we can sit here and nit pick at things but heat of the moment is way different. this works with unarmed as well if they charge you and you tell them to stop and they do not you have a job to protect yourself and the public. second only ******* cop place themselves above the law, but they are the ones in the news not the ones who saved a child from a kidnapper. third police procedure requires you to not talk to media about investigations only the chief can do that we conduct internal investigation. we often do something its just not public knowledge. do you kinda understand now?

 

[bluegoo300]

If a protester broke through and started assaulting people, would you abandon your post and and tackle them, or would you just tell them to stop and investigate it later? Whatever your answer is to this question is what I would expect to be done to a cop doing the same thing.

ok by that logic if an officer draws a gun on another officer do I have to tell him to stop as I do with civilian. no I don't because he has gone rouge

 

[freethinker44]

ok by that logic if an officer draws a gun on another officer do I have to tell him to stop as I do with civilian. no I don't because he has gone rouge

That feels like a non sequitur to me. What does this have to do with the post you quoted?

 

[bluegoo300]

If a protester broke through and started assaulting people, would you abandon your post and and tackle them, or would you just tell them to stop and investigate it later? Whatever your answer is to this question is what I would expect to be done to a cop doing the same thing.

oh and to answer your question no I would not a second line would arrest him/her I would maintain my post until relieved, that's my job.

 

[bluegoo300]

That feels like a non sequitur to me. What does this have to do with the post you quoted?

your trying to compare to different situations like I just did here do you see how it makes no sense. that's because there are policies for every situation you cant treat them all the same.

 

[Revoltingest]

can I ask you do you think its easy to be a police officer, do you think split second decisions are easy? just a question, but you make it sound like you could do the job with your eyes closed, never make a mistake, and always be in control of your emotions.

It can certainly be a difficult & risky job at times, exacerbated by some violent goons in their midst.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Why don't police in other countries handle situation like they do here? In LA alone, cops fire more bullets than every cop in Germany combined.

Yikes! And the German police carry machine guns too.

Note: invest in lead futures.

 

[bluegoo300]

It can certainly be a difficult & risky job at times, exacerbated by some violent goons in their midst.

exactly I just ask that people take into account the things others have to do to protect us.