Is anti-theism (satanism) better than atheism?

[questfortruth]

It would depend upon the individual satanist in question.

This confusion "Saint (Holy) Satanist Bob" is because God is not announced as scientifically proven.

 

[crossfire]

This confusion "Saint (Holy) Satanist Bob" is because God is not announced as scientifically proven.

Can anything that can be scientifically proven be called "god?" Wouldn't that be idolotry?

 

[questfortruth]

Can anything that can be scientifically proven be called "god?" Wouldn't that be idolotry?

You just released more spiritual smog into the thread. Clear things becoming not clear.

 

[crossfire]

Can anything that can be scientifically proven be called "god?" Wouldn't that be idolotry?

You just released more spiritual smog into the thread. Clear things becoming not clear.

LOL! I'll let you contemplate that for a while.

 

[firedragon]

There are so many brands of satanism that it makes broad brushing impossible. LaVeyan satanism is one type of atheistic (or non-theistic, to be more exact) satanism. (Non-theistic satanism is not an oxymoron.) They are more concerned with the carnal and physical than with the spiritual, and satan is a symbol or an archetype to them.

I have read the book of Levi. It is theistic. But it seems like people have made it symbolic.

Interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[firedragon]

Can anything that can be scientifically proven be called "god?" Wouldn't that be idolotry?

Scientifically, at the moment, that's an oxymoron as a statement by itself. But in the future, science might change it's approach and you never know how things will unfold.

 

[questfortruth]

you never know how things will unfold.

 

[questfortruth]

LOL! I'll let you contemplate that for a while.

You have power that is why you are attacking.
All sins in the world is power.

 

[crossfire]

I have read the book of Levi. It is theistic. But it seems like people have made it symbolic.

Interesting. Thanks for the clarification.

Anton LaVey.

 

[crossfire]

You have power that is why you are attacking.
All sins in the world is power.

Asking a question is attacking? How do you quest for truth if you don't question?

 

[firedragon]

Anton LaVey.

Lol. Thanks for the correction.

I was referring to his book called the satanic bible. And I am sure I read something else as well from him which I thought was very similar to another book called the 58 laws of power. Or was it 48 laws of power? Something of the sort.

It was actually written pretty well in my opinion. And it was to me very theistic. I never felt it was atheistic. But as you say maybe there are those who take it symbolically. Now thinking of it, there was a set of laws or behavioural advice in his books like you don't go behind and force yourself on people but if they come your way sexual encounter is perfectly fine. I also remember something about self defence or destroying your enemy but it was in self defence but to make sure the enemy is vanquished. These are real life situation and can be taken completely atheistically. Thus, that's why I think your information about the atheistic satanism can be derived from these books. I just didn't know that kind of sects or denominations existed. So its new information to me. Cheers.

 

[VoidCat]

Lol. Thanks for the correction.

I was referring to his book called the satanic bible. And I am sure I read something else as well from him which I thought was very similar to another book called the 58 laws of power. Or was it 48 laws of power? Something of the sort.

It was actually written pretty well in my opinion. And it was to me very theistic. I never felt it was atheistic. But as you say maybe there are those who take it symbolically. Now thinking of it, there was a set of laws or behavioural advice in his books like you don't go behind and force yourself on people but if they come your way sexual encounter is perfectly fine. I also remember something about self defence or destroying your enemy but it was in self defence but to make sure the enemy is vanquished. These are real life situation and can be taken completely atheistically. Thus, that's why I think your information about the atheistic satanism can be derived from these books. I just didn't know that kind of sects or denominations existed. So its new information to me. Cheers.

Another atheistic group is the Satanic Temple. Some dont feel it's valid but it does exist and I consider them satanists.

 

[firedragon]

Another atheistic group is the Satanic Temple. Some dont feel it's valid but it does exist and I consider them satanists.

I never knew this. Interesting.

 

[VoidCat]

I never knew this. Interesting.

@Evangelicalhumanist

Here's an example of a satanist group that's atheistic. The Satanic Temple. FAQ(Link embedded)

Under the question Do you worship satan is the following:


Under who is Satan to you

And here's a link to the Church of Satan that is a form of LaVeyan satanism:
F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs - Church of Satan

Why do Satanists worship The Devil?
We don’t. Satanists are atheists. We see the universe as being indifferent to us, and so all morals and values are subjective human constructions.

Our position is to be self-centered, with ourselves being the most important person (the “God”) of our subjective universe, so we are sometimes said to worship ourselves. Our current High Priest Gilmore calls this the step moving from being an atheist to being an “I-Theist.”

Satan to us is a symbol of pride, liberty and individualism, and it serves as an external metaphorical projection of our highest personal potential. We do not believe in Satan as a being or person.

 

[firedragon]

And here's a link to the Church of Satan that is a form of LaVeyan satanism:
F.A.Q. Fundamental Beliefs - Church of Satan

The man Anton Lavey. Was he a theist or an atheist? What is your knowledge on this ROL?

 

[VoidCat]

The man Anton Lavey. Was he a theist or an atheist? What is your knowledge on this ROL?

To my knowledge atheist. But I am not a Laveyan satanist so im not well versed on LaVeyan satanism tho I've read the LaVeyan Satanic Bible. It seems clearly mostly symbolic. There are multiple satanic bibles by the way. Only one by LaVey. Im a Luciferian and a polytheist not an atheistic Satanist. I don't like LaVeyan Satanism cuz of its views on eugenics and the fact it's mostly atheistic means it ain't for me

 

[VoidCat]

@firedragon Here is a thread i made on LaVeyan satanism lots of info on Lavey there he was not a good person it seems: LaVeyan Satanism

This is on the eugenics part:

Satanism: The Feared Religion - Church of Satan

Satanists also seek to enhance the laws of nature by concentrating on fostering the practice of eugenics. This is not some exotic doctrine hatched in the brains of Third Reich medical madmen. It is the practice of encouraging people of talent and ability to reproduce, to enrich the gene pool from which our species can grow. This was commonly practiced throughout the world, as even a text on eugenics endorsed by the Women’s Christian Temperence Union can prove, until it was given a bad name by Nazi excesses. Until the genetic code is cracked and we can choose the character of our offspring at will, Satanists seek to mate the best with the best. Satanists who know that they are defective refrain from reproducing

As a disabled person I vehemently disagree with this.

 

[firedragon]

To my knowledge atheist. But I am not a Laveyan satanist so im not well versed on LaVeyan satanism tho I've read the LaVeyan Satanic Bible. It seems clearly mostly symbolic. There are multiple satanic bibles by the way. Only one by LaVey. Im a Luciferian and a polytheist not an atheistic Satanist. I don't like LaVeyan Satanism cuz of its views on eugenics and the fact it's mostly atheistic means it ain't for me

In satanism, I have only read two books. Both from Lavey. One was the satanic bible, and I cant remember the second.

But thank you so much for the information. I need to check this out.

 

[firedragon]

@firedragon Here is a thread i made on LaVeyan satanism lots of info on Lavey there he was not a good person it seems: LaVeyan Satanism

This is on the eugenics part:

Satanism: The Feared Religion - Church of Satan



As a disabled person I vehemently disagree with this.

Thank you so much. Really appreciate it.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Those that I have seen posting here seemed very childish. Like teenage girls pretending to experiment with witches hexes and so forth.Thus my comment about their being fairly dim.

I think a lot of your satanist "apologetics" don't actually apply to "satanists". I have always been interested in how the character of satan is depicted in literature. As these characterizations can reveal a lot about how we humans fall under the spell of destructive ideas and behaviors. And how we "reason" with it as it's happening. But that does not make me a "satanist" by any stretch of that definition. And using the label or visual trappings of the satan character from art and literature for silly shock value or to impress your fellow teens doesn't really make anyone a "satanist", either. Developing an ideology and a lifestyle based on that character is what I would consider the hallmarks of an actual "satanist". And by that criteria, I see no appreciable difference between a satanist and any other form of theism. Including a loathing for other forms of theism.

Hence, I understand satanism to be a form of theism. Not of atheism.

That's kinda the equivalent of putting your hands in over your ears and saying 'lalala, can't hear you'.

You're suggesting LaVeyan Satanism isn't Satanism?
That the Church of Satan isn't Satanic?

Why?

I mean, I've got no horse in this game, the whole thing has nothing at all to do with me. I was just trying to help educate a couple of people here who were assuming Satanism is always theistic. It's not. Indeed, theistic Satanism is less common.