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Is anti-theism (satanism) better than atheism?

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Sounds to me like you're describing people that want to be contrary to the status quo just to be contrary to the status quo. Claiming "satan" is just their equivalent to waving a Nazi flag in a synagogue. Like I said, we're not talking about the brightest bulbs in the box, here.

I want to be a little careful how I answer this.
So, to a degree that's how I see things too. That's what I meant by 'reactionary'.

However, I think there are some counterpoints. I'm sure I'll make mistakes here, as I'm simply not that across Satanism, and don't have much interest (even intellectually).

1)Whilst I personally see no value in this, the intent of having an atheistic religion makes sense in some ways. Some people see value in dogma, shared values, etc. Atheism gives none of that, but by building a religion in top of it you can get there.

2)Quite apart from a traditional Christian view of Satan, that figure in a larger mythical sense is pretty varied and in some ways miscast. I daresay this is how some of the Satanists feel in relation to society, so if you're looking for a symbol that is adequately religious, familiar to many, but commonly misunderstood, or understood in a parodic or limited way, it's a fair choice.

3)Whilst (as I said) I agree with your broad view personally, I don't think using Nazis as a comparative is at all fair (and I realise you weren't saying they were Nazis, but more just trying to get a reaction). Satanists are not out there disrupting normal Christian life, in the main. Whether I find their choice of symbols reactionary or not, it's really not my business.

4)Couldn't comment on their intelligence. I've conversed with a few in general terms and they seemed pretty intelligent, but I'd assume they run the full gamut.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I can be whatever I wish to be. Please explain the differences between "sex of two men" and "sex of pet and owner".

This post is pretty is ignorant and disgusting, and completely ignored my earlier point.

Two men having sex involves consent. Just like a man and a woman, 2 women, or an orgy.
Whether they are your preference, or mine, is neither here nor there.

An owner and pet does not involve consent.

You seem to be missing the simple point that CONSENT is important.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I figure that most Satanists don't define the concepts in ways that much resemble Christianity's.

Even the ones holding to Christian theology don't define Satan in the same ways as Christianity.

The overwhelming majority of Satanists, even amongst those who are theistic, and follow Christian theology aren't worshipping the Deceiver, trying to tear humanity down. Their theological positions are somewhat varied, oft-parodied, and not well understood by 'everyday' folk.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
This post is pretty is ignorant and disgusting,
No, post is OK. But it feels disgusting only because Quest For Truth is disgusting.
"Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed." John 3:20.

 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
I am producing more anti-theists than Christians from atheists.
But it is a considerable improvement to make an anti-theist from an atheist. The anti-theist is defined as one who knows all about God but fights Him. So, he is on satan's side: "enemy of my enemy is my friend." Anti-theist. A Christian is theist. Hence Anti-theist is the same as Anti-Christian, shortly: Antichrist. You suggesting that Biblical Antichrist is not aware of God's existence?

Atheists are lukewarm, aren't they? Then God does not like lukewarm people:
"I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!"
Revelation 3:15.

Let me do it again. According to Scientific American,
the Big Bang is absent:
JWST’s First Glimpses of Early Galaxies Could Break Cosmology
And according to Creationism by Kent Hovind, the Big Bang is absent. I see a clear connection.


Why is anti theism equaled to satanism? Satanism is theism.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Why is anti theism equaled to satanism? Satanism is theism.
anti-theism is weak if anti-theist does not fight the "enemy" -- God. Anti-theism is not atheism. Anti-theism is not "militant atheism." Coming Anti-christ is Anti-Christianity, hence Anti-theist.

 
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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
But still, satanism is theism. It's not anti theism.
Why? You read my argument. The satan is angel, not God. Then satanism is not theism, but anti-theism. Look: God and satan are not friends. God has nothing in common with satan. Hence, Theism has nothing in common with satanism. It is my view, do not delete the unpleasant thread.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
But still, satanism is theism. It's not anti theism.
Anti-theist hurts the feelings of Christians and tries to convert them to atheism. Hurts feelings simply by telling them that God has murdered 1000000000000 people, but satan just ten (members Job's family). The aim is by hurting theists make the Jesus suffer for them. It is like the war with Adolf Hitler. The Americans, Britains, and Russians were unable to execute the Hitler, but they were able to execute his soldiers and generals.

 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
Is that a Ken Ham definition?
Here is a better one ....is the belief that theism and religion are harmful to society and people, and that even if theistic beliefs were true, they would be undesirable. Antitheism, which is often characterized as outspoken opposition to theism and religion, asserts that religious and especially theistic beliefs are harmful and should be discarded in favour of humanism, rationalism, science and other alternatives.
Anti-theist. A Christian is theist. Hence Anti-theist is the same as Anti-Christian, shortly: Antichrist. You suggesting that Biblical Antichrist is not aware of God's existence?
Jesus was a humanist. Christians are instructed to approach god through Jesus: the humanist. Those who approach god in an inhumane, non-humanist manner are called antichrist. Therefore, antichrists are not anti-theist, they are anti-humanist.

See Matthew 25:31-46 Knowing god is not required. Being humane is.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry
and you gave Me something to eat;
I was thirsty
and you gave Me something to drink;
I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me;
I was sick and you took care of Me;
I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or without clothes and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and visit You?’

40 “And the King will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’ 41 Then He will also say to those on the left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!

42 For I was hungry
and you gave Me nothing to eat;
I was thirsty
and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger
and you didn’t take Me in;
I was naked
and you didn’t clothe Me,
sick and in prison
and you didn’t take care of Me.’

44 “Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or without clothes, or sick, or in prison, and not help You?’

45 “Then He will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me either.’

46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
Majority of Satanism is atheistic.
Refer to my earlier posts for more details.

Sorry if I don't understand how satanism could be atheistic. Could you explain?

As per their doctrine, they are fundamentally theists. So I really cant understand how they could be atheistic.
 

PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
But it is a considerable improvement to make an anti-theist from an atheist.
No, it isn't.

An atheist is not necessarily lukewarm. I think this passage describes how:

Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’

And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me. (Matt 25)​
 
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