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Is anti-theism (satanism) better than atheism?

crossfire

crossfire

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firedragon said:
Sorry if I don't understand how satanism could be atheistic. Could you explain?

As per their doctrine, they are fundamentally theists. So I really cant understand how they could be atheistic.
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Non-theistic satanists strive to be fully present in their bodies and minds, rather than be distracted by gods.
 
questfortruth

questfortruth

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crossfire said:
I'm pretty sure satanists would deny being saints.
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They are unholy then? The unholy is very unpleasant word. To write "not holy" is much more pleasant than word unholy. So, please do not delete the thread even if it is very unpleasant one. We are trying to get Nobel Prize for proving the Ultimate Truth!

 
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Spirit of Light

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questfortruth said:
They are unholy then? The unholy is very unpleasant word. To write "not holy" is much more pleasant than word unholy. So, please do not delete the thread even if it is very unpleasant one. We are trying to get Nobel Prize for proving the Ultimate Truth!

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firedragon

firedragon

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crossfire said:
Non-theistic satanists strive to be fully present in their bodies and minds, rather than be distracted by gods.
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Please explain how they are not theists. That's for my knowledge only. The statement "non-theistic satanists" is an oxymoron in my understanding. That's why I am asking you this question.
 
Altfish

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crossfire said:
Jesus was a humanist. Christians are instructed to approach god through Jesus: the humanist. Those who approach god in an inhumane, non-humanist manner are called antichrist. Therefore, antichrists are not anti-theist, they are anti-humanist.

See Matthew 25:31-46 Knowing god is not required. Being humane is.
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on His right and the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

35 For I was hungry
and you gave Me something to eat;
I was thirsty
and you gave Me something to drink;
I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me;
I was sick and you took care of Me;
I was in prison and you visited Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or without clothes and clothe You? 39 When did we see You sick, or in prison, and visit You?’

40 “And the King will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’ 41 Then He will also say to those on the left, ‘Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels!

42 For I was hungry
and you gave Me nothing to eat;
I was thirsty
and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger
and you didn’t take Me in;
I was naked
and you didn’t clothe Me,
sick and in prison
and you didn’t take care of Me.’

44 “Then they too will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or without clothes, or sick, or in prison, and not help You?’

45 “Then He will answer them, ‘I assure you: Whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me either.’

46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
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Well, the first requirement of being a Humanist is that you do NOT believe in God. So Jesus would fail at the first hurdle.
 
PureX

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lewisnotmiller said:
I want to be a little careful how I answer this.
So, to a degree that's how I see things too. That's what I meant by 'reactionary'.

However, I think there are some counterpoints. I'm sure I'll make mistakes here, as I'm simply not that across Satanism, and don't have much interest (even intellectually).

1)Whilst I personally see no value in this, the intent of having an atheistic religion makes sense in some ways. Some people see value in dogma, shared values, etc. Atheism gives none of that, but by building a religion in top of it you can get there.

2)Quite apart from a traditional Christian view of Satan, that figure in a larger mythical sense is pretty varied and in some ways miscast. I daresay this is how some of the Satanists feel in relation to society, so if you're looking for a symbol that is adequately religious, familiar to many, but commonly misunderstood, or understood in a parodic or limited way, it's a fair choice.

3)Whilst (as I said) I agree with your broad view personally, I don't think using Nazis as a comparative is at all fair (and I realise you weren't saying they were Nazis, but more just trying to get a reaction). Satanists are not out there disrupting normal Christian life, in the main. Whether I find their choice of symbols reactionary or not, it's really not my business.

4)Couldn't comment on their intelligence. I've conversed with a few in general terms and they seemed pretty intelligent, but I'd assume they run the full gamut.
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Those that I have seen posting here seemed very childish. Like teenage girls pretending to experiment with witches hexes and so forth.Thus my comment about their being fairly dim.

I think a lot of your satanist "apologetics" don't actually apply to "satanists". I have always been interested in how the character of satan is depicted in literature. As these characterizations can reveal a lot about how we humans fall under the spell of destructive ideas and behaviors. And how we "reason" with it as it's happening. But that does not make me a "satanist" by any stretch of that definition. And using the label or visual trappings of the satan character from art and literature for silly shock value or to impress your fellow teens doesn't really make anyone a "satanist", either. Developing an ideology and a lifestyle based on that character is what I would consider the hallmarks of an actual "satanist". And by that criteria, I see no appreciable difference between a satanist and any other form of theism. Including a loathing for other forms of theism.

Hence, I understand satanism to be a form of theism. Not of atheism.
 
crossfire

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firedragon said:
Please explain how they are not theists. That's for my knowledge only. The statement "non-theistic satanists" is an oxymoron in my understanding. That's why I am asking you this question.
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There are so many brands of satanism that it makes broad brushing impossible. LaVeyan satanism is one type of atheistic (or non-theistic, to be more exact) satanism. (Non-theistic satanism is not an oxymoron.) They are more concerned with the carnal and physical than with the spiritual, and satan is a symbol or an archetype to them.
 
crossfire

crossfire

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questfortruth said:
They are unholy then? The unholy is very unpleasant word. To write "not holy" is much more pleasant than word unholy. So, please do not delete the thread even if it is very unpleasant one. We are trying to get Nobel Prize for proving the Ultimate Truth!

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It would depend upon the individual satanist in question.
 
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