Is anti-theocracy considered a "far right" position, e.g. the Netherlands

[Viker]

She meant "a certain interpretation", watch the video. It's short.

She did say "a certain interpretation ", that was clear. I'd have to dive more into Italian politics to discern her overall stance. Hard to do that while being vigilant against our own far-right concerns here. Is she a nationalist, ultra-conservative?

 

[Estro Felino]

She did say "a certain interpretation ", that was clear. I'd have to dive more into Italian politics to discern her overall stance. Hard to do that while being vigilant against our own far-right concerns here. Is she a nationalist, ultra-conservative?

She defines herself as Conservative.

 

[Viker]

She defines herself Conservative.

Okay. No problem.

"According to Meloni and leading members, FdI is a mainstream conservative party.[35][36] Academics and observers have variously described it as conservative,[37][38] national-conservative, right-wing populist, social-conservative,[39] nationalist,[40][41] neo-fascist,[7][38] post-fascist,[42] nativist[3][43] and anti-immigrant."

Nativist and anti-immigrant. Interesting.

 

[Laika]

Summary:

Many Muslims in Europe want Sharia law. Sharia law represents a big step towards theocracy.

Geert Wilders recently won a big election in the Netherlands based on his positions that Islamic immigration to the Netherlands must be stopped. In this video and others, Wilders is called "far right". So does that mean that being against theocracy is now a "far right" stance?

Some polls on Sharia in Europe:

Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

And around the world, support for Sharia is quite high:

Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia

According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of

www.pewresearch.org

Opposing theocracy is common to virtually every part of the political spectrum for most of the past two centuries. Since the Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century, secularism and the separation of church and state has become the norm. If anything, the far right we’re the most sympathetic to theocracy because they believed the enlightenment (with its ideals of equality) was a mistake because it was contrary to inequalities found in “natural law”. The far right believed religion was critical for maintaining the social order while secularism would lead to a moral and spiritual collapse.

For most of the twentieth century the far left (“godless commies”) were the extreme secularists, while the far right believed they were defending Christian Europe from Bolshevism. (Though the Nazis had a complex relationship with Christianity as they wanted to eliminate any “Jewish” influence in the religion, while other nazis were pagans).

However, since the 1970’s the rise of the Christian Right in the US and Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East have grown and that’s what has led to the current weirdness where parts of the American and European left have been sympathetic to Islam on the grounds of anti-imperialism.

That being said Islamic political parties in Europe have minimal levels of support, but the far right have turned fears over Muslim immigration and refugees into a powerful recruiting tool.

 

[Heyo]

Summary:

Many Muslims in Europe want Sharia law. Sharia law represents a big step towards theocracy.

Geert Wilders recently won a big election in the Netherlands based on his positions that Islamic immigration to the Netherlands must be stopped. In this video and others, Wilders is called "far right". So does that mean that being against theocracy is now a "far right" stance?

Some polls on Sharia in Europe:

Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

And around the world, support for Sharia is quite high:

Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia

According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of

www.pewresearch.org

First rule of politics: politicians lie.
Wilders is, most of all, anti immigrant. He has no stance against theocracy but the fact that fresh immigrants often are pro sharia is a welcome argument against immigrants that can be supported by people less far right than he is. "Widening the base" is the goal and it worked.

 

[ChristineM]

I personally know them.

What all 27 million of them;-)

 

[exchemist]

Summary:

Many Muslims in Europe want Sharia law. Sharia law represents a big step towards theocracy.

Geert Wilders recently won a big election in the Netherlands based on his positions that Islamic immigration to the Netherlands must be stopped. In this video and others, Wilders is called "far right". So does that mean that being against theocracy is now a "far right" stance?

Some polls on Sharia in Europe:

Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

And around the world, support for Sharia is quite high:

Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia

According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of

www.pewresearch.org

Anti-theocracy is a far right position when it is aimed, as it usually is, at Muslims.

A Christian theocracy is more than acceptable to the far right, which is why it is espoused by Bible Belt Protestant fundamentalists and mad, swivel-eyed Catholics.

 

[Brian2]

Quick observation: the headline reads 'no place for Islamic culture'. It's not anti-theocratic as it is anti-Islamic.

She sees values shown in sharia law as anti european values eg death for adultery, death for apostacy from Islam, death for homosexuality.

 

[wellwisher]

Absolutely not. Mike Johnson, our House Speaker, is an open Christian nationalist, far right pundit and believes in dominionism. Dominionism amounts to theocratic totalitarianism.

Summary:

Many Muslims in Europe want Sharia law. Sharia law represents a big step towards theocracy.

Geert Wilders recently won a big election in the Netherlands based on his positions that Islamic immigration to the Netherlands must be stopped. In this video and others, Wilders is called "far right". So does that mean that being against theocracy is now a "far right" stance?

Some polls on Sharia in Europe:

Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia

i24NEWS

www.i24news.tv

And around the world, support for Sharia is quite high:

Chapter 1: Beliefs About Sharia

According to the survey findings, most Muslims believe sharia is the revealed word of God rather than a body of law developed by men based on the word of

www.pewresearch.org

Sharia law would be a big step backwards for Feminism and all gender bender groups that the Left supports. Men haver all the protections and advantages. Does that mean the Liberals are changing gears and loyalties if that is called Conservatism? They hate the conservatives who now are resisting this. You guys are spinning this the wrong way. Conservative is connected to the conservation of the past, not liberal experiments with the future of a country, that has a long history to conserve.

What makes no sense is many Muslims left their home country for the difficult journey to the West because it was free. The west shows Christian compassion, but then, like a virus, many Muslims now want to alter the host to accommodate the ways of the virus, so they end up in a world similar from which they ran. Going from first to second world is definite liberalism. Is Sharia seen as Muslim DEI? I believe in religious freedom in a free market of choice, and not DEI forced conformity to lunatic fringe virus.

 

[LuisDantas]

And the Islamic far right would equally be opposed to a Christian theocracy.

I think that it is misleading to put things this way.

Don't know if it makes sense to talk of a "Islamic far right", but it is not like other Islamic groups would accept a Christian theocracy.

The Crusades did not happen out of acceptance.

 

[LuisDantas]

I am sure that most US rightists are against all theocracies. Christian theocracy included.

You would lose that bet.

 

[LuisDantas]

However, since the 1970’s the rise of the Christian Right in the US and Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East have grown and that’s what has led to the current weirdness where parts of the American and European left have been sympathetic to Islam on the grounds of anti-imperialism.

A fact which is, if not naive, certainly ironic all of its own.

 

[PureX]

How did Christian theocracies enter into this thread?

It explains the apparent discrepancy that you were asking about.

 

[Koldo]

Sharia law would be a big step backwards for Feminism and all gender bender groups that the Left supports. Men haver all the protections and advantages. Does that mean the Liberals are changing gears and loyalties if that is called Conservatism? They hate the conservatives who now are resisting this. You guys are spinning this the wrong way. Conservative is connected to the conservation of the past, not liberal experiments with the future of a country, that has a long history to conserve.

What makes no sense is many Muslims left their home country for the difficult journey to the West because it was free. The west shows Christian compassion, but then, like a virus, many Muslims now want to alter the host to accommodate the ways of the virus, so they end up in a world similar from which they ran. Going from first to second world is definite liberalism. Is Sharia seen as Muslim DEI? I believe in religious freedom in a free market of choice, and not DEI forced conformity to lunatic fringe virus.

This may surprise you but generally speaking people don't immigrate to the US and Europe because of freedom. They immigrate because of money.

 

[LuisDantas]

It is only fair to point out that the European (and American) far-right (and its right in general) makes a lot of distinction between Christian and Islamic theocracies.

Racism, religious intolerance and mistrust of immigrants may on occasion mask themselves as "secularism". But I genuinely suspect that the opposite happened in the Netherlands this time. Geert Wilders appears to be, at least, well informed about the particularities of Islam.

Quite frankly, it is a bit disturbing that for once a far-right voice is so well informed.

 

[Estro Felino]

Racism, religious intolerance and mistrust of immigrants may on occasion mask themselves as "secularism".

My country is based upon the principle of jus sanguinis.
That is, citizenship is based upon the right of the blood: the citizenship, nationality are a reflex of people's DNA.
In fact, if a Brazilian citizen demonstrates that they have Italian DNA, they can claim Italian citizenship. And they can obtain it very easily.
Is that racism?

 

[PureX]

My country is based upon the principle of jus sanguinis.
That is, citizenship is based upon the right of the blood: the citizenship, nationality are a reflex of people's DNA.
In fact, if a Brazilian citizen demonstrates that they have Italian DNA, they can claim Italian citizenship. And they can obtain it very easily.
Is that racism?

Yes. And it's a stupid policy as well.

 

[Altfish]

So does that mean that being against theocracy is now a "far right" stance?

Definitely not. I'm left-wing but anti-theocracy, of any sort, be it Muslim, Jewish, Christian, etc.

 

[LuisDantas]

My country is based upon the principle of jus sanguinis.
That is, citizenship is based upon the right of the blood: the citizenship, nationality are a reflex of people's DNA.
In fact, if a Brazilian citizen demonstrates that they have Italian DNA, they can claim Italian citizenship. And they can obtain it very easily.
Is that racism?

Sincerely? Yes, it is.

You are probably aware that Brazil does not adopt the jus sanguinis criterium, but rather its alternative, jus solis. While it is very true that Brazilians with Italian ancestry may easily request Italian nationality (and many do), we simply do not return the favor.

As it happens, there are quite a few Brazilians of Italian ancestry, including our former Chief of State (and current candidate to guest of the State). Infamously, he and at least two of his sons are attempting to acquire or renew Italian citizenship at the moment.

Not to put too fine a point on it, I must say that J.M.B. is, among other remarkable things, a b*tch of a racist. So are many of his supporters.

It is a bleeding wound and a growing shame on the dignity of Brazil at this very moment.

 

[Estro Felino]

Sincerely? Yes, it is.

You are probably aware that Brazil does not adopt the jus sanguinis criterium, but rather its alternative, jus solis. While it is very true that Brazilians with Italian ancestry may easily request Italian nationality (and many do), we simply do not return the favor.

As it happens, there are quite a few Brazilians of Italian ancestry, including our former Chief of State (and current candidate to guest of the State). Infamously, he and at least two of his sons are attempting to acquire or renew Italian citizenship at the moment.

Not to put too fine a point on it, I must say that J.M.B. is, among other remarkable things, a b*tch of a racist. So are many of his supporters.

It is a bleeding wound and a growing shame on the dignity of Brazil at this very moment.

Because Brazil was colonized by Europeans...it's a fact.
Europeans that used to have a national identity...and such a thing is difficult to comprehend, in America. I understand.