Is any former Bernie voter going Trump just to stop Hillary?

[Saint Frankenstein]

Please indicate a better place to live. Oh, wait that place doesn't exist because Islamic radicals are everywhere else.

I'm not sure whether to reply to this seriously or not even bother. If you're serious, you need some help because that's a completely irrational, nutty and bizarre claim to make. Talk about out of control paranoia.

 

[Mindmaster]

I'm not sure whether to reply to this seriously or not even bother. If you're serious, you need some help because that's a completely irrational, nutty and bizarre claim to make. Talk about out of control paranoia.

I mean, really... Where?

Every single place is worse for some reason.

You can't even tell me one? (I can't either, so hey... )

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I mean, really... Where?

Every single place is worse for some reason.

You can't even tell me one? (I can't either, so hey... )

Yes, huge numbers of Islamic terrorists are definitely teeming in every nation on Earth except for glorious 'Merica.

 

[Father Heathen]

You're obviously not referring to America.

What then would you consider the greatest democracy in history? The U.S. is far from perfect, but that doesn't negate it's achievements and triumphs, nor its potential.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What then would you consider the greatest democracy in history? The U.S. is far from perfect, but that doesn't negate it's achievements and triumphs, nor its potential.

It hasn't existed yet, but countries like Canada are certainly ahead of us.

 

[Nous]

Do you watch the news much?

Hardly ever.

1) Voter Suppression
2) Media Blackout
3) Delegate shenanigans... They are reallocating delegates after the primary vote. (See Nevada)
4) Ballot Hijinks (New York and others)
5) Caucus Hijinks (Iowa, others)

Provide the evidence that the Clinton camp or "the establishment" did such things, causing Sanders to lose.

 

[Nous]

I voted for Bernie in the primary but I'm voting for Hillary in the general election. I'm not insane. If you supported Bernie, voting for Trump would be a massive abandonment of why you supported Bernie in the first place, imo. Bernie needs to give it up and drop out. He lost. Move on. It's starting to go to his head at this point. We don't need the division right now. We need to keep Trump out of the White House. I'm not a big fan of Hillary (although I don't hate her or anything), but Trump is a lunatic disaster.

I couldn't have said that better.

 

[LuisDantas]

Please indicate a better place to live. Oh, wait that place doesn't exist because Islamic radicals are everywhere else.

Pretty much all of the Nordic countries, as well as Canada, New Zealand and Canada, at the very least, seem to be better choices.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

In my own opinion I do not want any of them to win.

 

[esmith]

There's nothing wrong with Obama appointing another justice. This is normal procedure. There has been a conservative SCOTUS majority forever (decades). Some say it would be fair to change it up, but given history, democrats/liberals ideology has always been in the backseat in SCOTUS history.

and well they should be.

 

[Mindmaster]

Yes, huge numbers of Islamic terrorists are definitely teeming in every nation on Earth except for glorious 'Merica.

Radicals, not terrorists. Terrorists are hurting people, radicals are talking crap like Christian fundamentalists. Big difference. I feel that the people who actually would do harm are a minority, but plenty of people talk about it.

 

[Mindmaster]

Pretty much all of the Nordic countries, as well as Canada, New Zealand and Canada, at the very least, seem to be better choices.

Most of this is a myth. The Scandinavian countries have embraced socialism and their reward for doing it is that their inequality has increased by 15% in the last ten years. Their taxes are also nearly 50% of the GDP, and how is that going to look in twenty years when the population nearly doubles? Also, none of those countries have equivalents to the first amendment, so there is that. We could argue that in ten more years those countries will have nearly twice as much poverty as they do now, and everyone is going to be a ward of the state. I keep doing the math on socialism, but it never works out past twenty years or so -- they costs keep rising, the income goes down, and people lose motivation to do anything but go on the dole.

I like free stuff too, but in reality it just amounts to stealing it from someone else.

 

[Mindmaster]

Hardly ever.

Provide the evidence that the Clinton camp or "the establishment" did such things, causing Sanders to lose.

Please use google. Thanks.

 

[fantome profane]

Most of this is a myth. The Scandinavian countries have embraced socialism and their reward for doing it is that their inequality has increased by 15% in the last ten years.

Do you have a source for this? And do you know how much inequality has increased in the U.S. in the last ten years so we can compare.

Also, none of those countries have equivalents to the first amendment, so there is that.

Complete nonsense. I know that the Canadian charter guarantees freedom of expression and I am sure that most if not all modern nations have a similar document. The U.S. is hardly unique in this regard.

 

[LuisDantas]

Most of this is a myth.

By some reckless understanding of "myth", apparently.

The Scandinavian countries have embraced socialism and their reward for doing it is that their inequality has increased by 15% in the last ten years.

And that is worse than the USA in which sense, or why?

Their taxes are also nearly 50% of the GDP, and how is that going to look in twenty years when the population nearly doubles?

I am fairly certain that they are dealing with population growth way better than most other countries as well.

Also, none of those countries have equivalents to the first amendment, so there is that.

None of those seem to feel any need for such, either.

We could argue that in ten more years those countries will have nearly twice as much poverty as they do now, and everyone is going to be a ward of the state. I keep doing the math on socialism, but it never works out past twenty years or so -- they costs keep rising, the income goes down, and people lose motivation to do anything but go on the dole.

I like free stuff too, but in reality it just amounts to stealing it from someone else.

With all due respect, I have no trust whatsoever in your predictive skills. You have a hard enough time with the present time, after all.

 

[Mindmaster]

Do you have a source for this? And do you know how much inequality has increased in the U.S. in the last ten years so we can compare.

Complete nonsense. I know that the Canadian charter guarantees freedom of expression and I am sure that most if not all modern nations have a similar document. The U.S. is hardly unique in this regard.

The USA is pretty unique only in that you won't become a dissident for saying something. Many countries have free speech in their laws, but what happens when you use that right is another question.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/how-scandinavian-countries-pay-their-government-spending (pretty detailed, some good some bad for USA.. )
http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/11/scandinavia-isnt-a-socialist-paradise/
https://nypost.com/2015/10/19/sorry-bernie-scandinavia-is-no-socialist-paradise-after-all/

Report from someone living in these countries:
http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/10/14...ot-what-it-seems-why-bernie-sanders-is-wrong/

GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP

Denmark 49.0
Finland 43,6
Norway 43.6
Sweden 45.8
USA 26.9

Inequality and GDP (Denmark) - http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/23/news/economy/denmark-inequality/

Basically, the problem with socialism is that the asset holders need to get bought out by the government. If not, then they are paid by the government and you are no longer the customer. You lose your rights to be seen promptly because you no longer get a vote. (Your money.) That's where it all leads.

 

[metis]

Let's face it, I feel Bernie supporters were robbed by the Democratic establishment. What are your thoughts?

Bernie knew the rules before he even went into the primaries.

Personally, I don't like the rules, plus I voted for Bernie, but there's no way in the world I'd vote for Trump, and Hillary is our only real shot at stopping him.

 

[Mindmaster]

Bernie knew the rules before he even went into the primaries.

Personally, I don't like the rules, plus I voted for Bernie, but there's no way in the world I'd vote for Trump, and Hillary is our only real shot at stopping him.

What are you trying to stop?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Even if he did he could do some real damage before then. Not just in foreign policy. Hillary wouldn't put a pro-life anti-LGBT appointment to the Supreme Court. Trump would. That would have consequences long past his presidency.

Exactly. This election can have major implications for LBGT rights. It can preserve same-sex marriage and strike down discrimination laws and put this restroom nonsense behind us (a Democrat win and just one Supreme Court nominee to swing the court left), or it can jeopardize same-sex marriage and openly declare that transsexuals have to use the restroom of their birth sex (A republican win and one Supreme Court nomination that will vote against equality). From where I stand, my own future may very well be in the hands of the next president. Even though I'd much rather vote for Bernie, I don't want the party of Bible thumpers getting decide whom I may or may not marry or where I may or may not pee. My health care could also be put into jeopardy with a Trump win, so another reason I'll be voting for H. Clinton.

Please indicate a better place to live. Oh, wait that place doesn't exist because Islamic radicals are everywhere else.

If I went to Canada, which is something I've been considering, I would get the health care I need, where I pee wouldn't be a huge national debacle, and because I'm not a mindless venom-spewing hater I could go on about my life pretty much the same way I do here, but with the benefit of being a fully entitled citizen under the law, which is something I don't get in America.

What then would you consider the greatest democracy in history? The U.S. is far from perfect, but that doesn't negate it's achievements and triumphs, nor its potential.

Asides from the first person on the moon, what can really be said of the achievements and triumphs? Wages for everyone but the wealthiest have stagnated and declined since the 70s, upwards mobility is the exception and not the rule, we have more prisoners than any other country, and small business owners are frequently lumped in with big business owners which throws up a ton of obstacles and barriers for small business owners that large business owners can easily step over. Wal-Mart will get tax money to expand, AIG got vacation money for going belly-up, but your Main Street mom-and-pop store gets no such lucrative benefits.

and well they should be.

Another toast to the death of conservativism. The day is quickly coming when the LBGT community will have full rights, Mexicans won't be the evil immigrant group, black people won't be the crime-prone thugs, college students won't accumulate crippling debt, and it will be understood that screams of "pc police" are nothing more than people wanting to say whatever they want without regards to decency, facts, respect, dignity, and other features of a civilized society.

 

[metis]

What are you trying to stop?

Someone who could become Bigot-In-Chief.