Is atheism a religion?

[`mud]

Geeeeee...that's the first mistake that I ever made !!!
I'm going to have to be more careful !
Look out.....I'm going to be watching !

 

[shunyadragon]

That is a ridiculous assertion. Can you support it with comments from Muslims saying Islam is not a religion or Jews saying Judaism is not a religion?

No more support than atheists claiming their belief is not a religious belief,

Nonsense. There is abundant objective evidence that gods are the creation of man's imaginings. Do you believe in the Golden Plates? Do you think that Ogun is a real god or that Ogun is the creation of man's imaginings? How about Zeus? Then, using your logical brain, extend that to Jesus and Allah and the God Who Created Everything Last Thursday.

Nonsense, It remains a fact that there is no objective verifiable evidence either for nor against that existence of Gods. Methodological Naturalism does not go there.

You used the phrase "those that disagree". The only person with whom atheists and theists disagree is you. One. Singular.

Than you are concluding that the atheists on this site are Lords and masters of all truth. How egocentrically ridiculous.

 

[`mud]

I really wonder how many varieties of the same thing can be said ?

 

[`mud]

It's a shame that there's not one path to get to the proof.
I'm afraid that path does not exist, maybe there's not a proof after all !
Evidence, evidence all around and not one example of proof.

 

[`mud]

Oh...there's a butterfly coasting around, and in that giant oak an orchid.
Squirrels flitting all about, and blue jays and cardinals eating bugs,
where do they all come, from what giant hand do they emerge to fly out ?
Where is that proof of everything that's here, the search persists still.

 

[`mud]

There's really no religion as atheism, there's just a belief in life.

 

[Audie]

weather `gods` ?

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

Why why why that is cultural appropriation!!!

 

[shunyadragon]

If I believe that there is no evidence to believe that a God exists, is this a Religious Belief, or just a personal belief? Why?

Again, again and again . . .

I said, 'There is NO objective verifiable evidence that Gods exist nor not exist." I said. "The reasons for my beliefs are a subject of another thread."

 

[shunyadragon]

There's really no religion as atheism, there's just a belief in life.

Agreed, atheism is not a religion. It is a religious belief. The Atheist churches and some schools of Buddhism are atheist religions.

 

[lukethethird]

Fundi atheists are as hard to deal with as fundi Christians.

Obviously atheists are as hard to deal with, they don't share in our beliefs, I mean, duh.

There is absolutely no objective verifiable evidence for the faith based claim that God(s) do not exist.

Maybe you are objective verifiable evidence for the faith based claim that God/s do not exist.

Agreed, atheism is not a religion. It is a religious belief. The Atheist churches and some schools of Buddhism are atheist religions.

OK, but what happens when Monday morning rolls around and we have to go back to work, are things going to be normal again?

 

[lukethethird]

None of that will or could happen. Why bother saying it.

Oops, you caught me dreaming, my bad.

 

[lukethethird]

Theology is not defined by the assumption that gods exist. Theology is the designated category of philosophy related to the proposition of gods existing. To propose that no gods exist is a philosophical/theological proposition. To believe that no gods exist is likewise a philosophical/theological position. And since religions are the mechanisms by which we humans express and maintain our theological positions in life, such a theological position can be accompanied by a "religious" life expression. I realize that the use of the term in this instance is counter-intuitive, but it is logically valid, nevertheless.

Why would a philosophy propose that gods do not exist? There is an endless list of things we dream up that don't exist, shall our philosophy include the proposition that pink unicorns don't exist, demons, fairies, I mean, where to begin, so many non existences, so little time.

 

[shunyadragon]

Obviously atheists are as hard to deal with, they don't share in our beliefs, I mean, duh.

True.

Maybe you are objective verifiable evidence for the faith based claim that God/s do not exist.

I am only objective evidence that I exist,

OK, but what happens when Monday morning rolls around and we have to go back to work, are things going to be normal again?

That's what happens Monday, and most likely Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Me? None of the above.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Again, again and again . . .

I said, 'There is NO objective verifiable evidence that Gods exist nor not exist." I said. "The reasons for my beliefs are a subject of another thread."

Again, again, and again, deflecting and avoiding. When is Atheism not Atheism? Answer, whenever a Baha'i member says so. You will keep making nonsense claims, trolling, annoying, and insulting others until this thread is closed. Or, until only religious fundi's, fanatics, extremists, radicals, and others with the same sociopathy become your only audience. You are wrong, and you know it. But ego, pride, immaturity, and a total lack of self-respect, prevents you from admitting it. No rational person would think that a non-religious belief is the same as a religious belief. No rational person would believe that Atheism is a religious belief, because it is a belief about religion. No rational person would think that Atheists worship their non-belief at a non-church called an Atheist Church. If you represent the same level of intellectual dishonesty as other members of your faith, then clearly your faith has the same "dumbing-down" effect on its members, as other religions. It is no wonder why your faith have been kicked out of so many countries. And you seriously expect that all religions will eventual join a faith that demonstrates this level of arrogance and obstinance?

The reason for your belief is the same as for all beliefs. They fill an empty void in their psyche. You may have an attention seeking, identity, insecurity, or a social void that needs to be filled. I don't know, and I certainly don't care. Especially since you are far too old in the tooth to change. Atheist are not immune to these issues, but they tend to throw more rational and verifiable facts into their void.

Simply highlighting and underlining your nonsense claims, does not change its status as nonsense. I listed the evidence against the existence of God. I admit that this evidence is not absolute proof that a God does not exist. But this evidence is certainly verifiable and objective. The evidence produces enough uncertainty to suggest, not only that a God does not exist, but that a God cannot exist. Either reality exists, or a God exists, but NOT BOTH. At least Atheist have rational reasons not to believe in this culture-specific supernatural nonsense. What is your single piece of objective testable evidence that can demonstrate, or support any rational belief that a God(s) can exist? None, zero, only blind faith. I think that you are stuck in parrot mode, so that no matter what questions and answers we give, you will keep parroting the same response. I think that it is best that you not venture outside the choir. The real world can be quite sobering indeed. ​

 

[PureX]

Why would a philosophy propose that gods do not exist? There is an endless list of things we dream up that don't exist, shall our philosophy include the proposition that pink unicorns don't exist, demons, fairies, I mean, where to begin, so many non existences, so little time.

You're going to have to ask the atheists that question. It's their philosophical position. So it's their responsibility to present their arguments for it. As we have seen countless times here on this forum, they do have their reasons, and they will present them for debate when asked. And that is the proper philosophical methodology.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

You're going to have to ask the atheists that question. It's their philosophical position. So it's their responsibility to present their arguments for it. As we have seen countless times here on this forum, they do have their reasons, and they will present them for debate when asked. And that is the proper philosophical methodology.

Atheism is not a philosophical position, it is a rational and practical position. There is no objective rational evidence to justify a rational belief in the existence of God. There will always be a philosophical rationale for a belief in the existence of a God(although fallacious). With regards to the God belief, most Atheists are rational not philosophical.

Do you believe that the burden of proof for all extraordinary claims, does NOT rest with the person making the claims? That would be simply ludicrous. If I claim that I own an invisible polka dot flying fire breathing immortal dragon, then by your philosophical methodology, it is the people who disagree with me that have the burden of proof. Just how do you think I might respond to any evidence they present to me? All I have to do is dismiss it with, repetition, deflection, insults, misrepresentation, and denials. You know, just like what is occurring here. There is no rational, logical, or intuitive support for their claims. They simply keep parroting one unsupported assertion after another. This is THEIR philosophical methodology.

 

[Curious George]

Atheism is not a philosophical position, it is a rational and practical position. There is no objective rational evidence to justify a rational belief in the existence of God. There will always be a philosophical rationale for a belief in the existence of a God(although fallacious). With regards to the God belief, most Atheists are rational not philosophical.

Do you believe that the burden of proof for all extraordinary claims, does NOT rest with the person making the claims? That would be simply ludicrous. If I claim that I own an invisible polka dot flying fire breathing immortal dragon, then by your philosophical methodology, it is the people who disagree with me that have the burden of proof. Just how do you think I might respond to any evidence they present to me? All I have to do is dismiss it with, repetition, deflection, insults, misrepresentation, and denials. You know, just like what is occurring here. There is no rational, logical, or intuitive support for their claims. They simply keep parroting one unsupported assertion after another. This is THEIR philosophical methodology.

I think it is more accurate to say that some atheism is not a philisophical position. Classical/philosophical atheism make the claim that no god exists.

Sure there is the new atheism that views atheism as a psychological state rather than a position, but surely some versions of atheism do in fact make a claim.

 

[shunyadragon]

Again, again, and again, deflecting and avoiding. When is Atheism not Atheism? Answer, whenever a Baha'i member says so. You will keep making nonsense claims, trolling, annoying, and insulting others until this thread is closed. Or, until only religious fundi's, fanatics, extremists, radicals, and others with the same sociopathy become your only audience. You are wrong, and you know it. But ego, pride, immaturity, and a total lack of self-respect, prevents you from admitting it. No rational person would think that a non-religious belief is the same as a religious belief. No rational person would believe that Atheism is a religious belief, because it is a belief about religion. No rational person would think that Atheists worship their non-belief at a non-church called an Atheist Church. If you represent the same level of intellectual dishonesty as other members of your faith, then clearly your faith has the same "dumbing-down" effect on its members, as other religions. It is no wonder why your faith have been kicked out of so many countries. And you seriously expect that all religions will eventual join a faith that demonstrates this level of arrogance and obstinance?

The reason for your belief is the same as for all beliefs. They fill an empty void in their psyche. You may have an attention seeking, identity, insecurity, or a social void that needs to be filled. I don't know, and I certainly don't care. Especially since you are far too old in the tooth to change. Atheist are not immune to these issues, but they tend to throw more rational and verifiable facts into their void.

Simply highlighting and underlining your nonsense claims, does not change its status as nonsense. I listed the evidence against the existence of God. I admit that this evidence is not absolute proof that a God does not exist. But this evidence is certainly verifiable and objective. The evidence produces enough uncertainty to suggest, not only that a God does not exist, but that a God cannot exist. Either reality exists, or a God exists, but NOT BOTH. At least Atheist have rational reasons not to believe in this culture-specific supernatural nonsense. What is your single piece of objective testable evidence that can demonstrate, or support any rational belief that a God(s) can exist? None, zero, only blind faith. I think that you are stuck in parrot mode, so that no matter what questions and answers we give, you will keep parroting the same response. I think that it is best that you not venture outside the choir. The real world can be quite sobering indeed. ​

A lot o effort here on your part, but not meaningful.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Nonsense, It remains a fact that there is no objective verifiable evidence either for nor against that existence of Gods.

So your belief system - and whole life, maybe? - is based on a falsehood?

This God that can't be verified to exist isn't the god of any religion, including yours. For instance, if the Baha'i "messengers" could be confirmed to have come from God, then this fact alone would serve as proof of God. If God is unverified, then there are no reliable "messengers of God."

Meanwhile, the god you propose isn't really any skin off even the most ardent anti-theist's nose.

- "What if you're wrong and a god that has absolutely no observable or measurable impact on anything actually exists?"
- "It would have literally no impact on my life at all."

 

[shunyadragon]

So your belief system - and whole life, maybe? - is based on a falsehood?

So . . . considering the fallible human nature both your view and mine may be based on a falsehood.

This God that can't be verified to exist isn't the god of any religion, including yours. For instance, if the Baha'i "messengers" could be confirmed to have come from God, then this fact alone would serve as proof of God. If God is unverified, then there are no reliable "messengers of God."

Your turning this into an argument of Theism versus Atheism. Again . . . It remains a fact that there is no objective verifiable evidence either for nor against that existence of Gods.