Is atheism a threat to humanity?

[TagliatelliMonster]

You either have "faith" in this world , where everything, and I mean EVERYTHING comes from the DIRT,
or you have "faith" in the One who made the "dirt"...….your choice.

False dichotomy.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Any self professing "atheist" is here for only one of two reasons...
either they are seeking answers (undercover), or they are here tp mock people of "faith" ( which is hateful ).
so, what's your story ?

Another false dichotomy. And quite an arrogant one, this one...

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

WHY DID LIFE EVOLVE ON THIS PLANET ?

What makes you think that there is some special reason, other then "because conditions allowed for that chemistry to happen"?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Or you could just ask yourself: "Is there any reason to believe, or any evidence at all to suggest that I am living in a trickster universe?" If the answer is, "not one single iota," then I suppose one could just dismiss the question altogether, and that would obviate the need for "trust."

You assume that you can know whether you are in a trickster universe or not. You can't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I like how you use reason, logic and evidence with this: "I'm not going to get dragged into this silly Matrix nonsense again."
I do want to point out that neither reason, logic nor evidence decide whether there is a trickster God or universe. The problem is the same for religious believers and non-believers.

I don't consider unfalsifiable claims like "we could all be in the matrix!" to be any kind of real "problem".

So you can with reason decide that it makes sense to act if it doesn't matter. That is a belief.

Not a belief. It factually doesn't matter. Due to its unfalsifiable nature.
What would be the difference between us living in an actual universe, like what seems to be the case, or us living in the matrix? If you can't answer that quesiton, then it really doesn't matter if we do or not. Since both realities would be indistinguishable from one another.

Thus you use a belief and a form of defense mechanism.

No. Not caring about unfalsifiable claims, is not a defense mechanism.
Defense against what, even?? Brainfarts?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You assume that you can know whether you are in a trickster universe or not. You can't.

Then it doesn't matter.

You can't know that an undetectable dragon follows you around everywhere either.
So even if it were the case, it wouldn't make any difference.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

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Not a belief. It factually doesn't matter. Due to its unfalsifiable nature.
What would be the difference between us living in an actual universe, like what seems to be the case, or us living in the matrix? If you can't answer that quesiton, then it really doesn't matter if we do or not. Since both realities would be indistinguishable from one another.
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You can't use an "us". You would be alone, because the "we" you are talking about is not there. That is the difference. To you I am in effect real and so are other humans. In a BB universe them, the rest of all humans including me, wouldn't exist as real. That is the difference.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Then it doesn't matter.

You can't know that an undetectable dragon follows you around everywhere either.
So even if it were the case, it wouldn't make any difference.

So you answer as if I am real. In a BB universe I am not real.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You can't use an "us". You would be alone, because the "we" you are talking about is not there. That is the difference. To you I am in effect real and so are other humans. In a BB universe them, the rest of all humans including me, wouldn't exist as real. That is the difference.

Again, this unfalsifiable claim is completely useless and merritless.

You say there's a difference, but it's only a difference in concept, not in practice.
Unfalsifiable claims are literally infinite in number, only limited by imagination.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So you answer as if I am real

And you drive your car as if no invisible rocks are blocking your lane.

In a BB universe I am not real.

I'll consider that the second there is a shred of evidence for it.
Until then, it's unfalsifiable useless drivel.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

What makes you think that there is some special reason, other then "because conditions allowed for that chemistry to happen"?

Why did conditions allow for that chemistry to happen ?

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Another false dichotomy. And quite an arrogant one, this one...

True arrogance is this : " I don't know, so therefore you don't know either "

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Why do you insist on telling people what they believe?
Seems quite arrogant. I'ld say that people are a better judge concerning what it is that they believe (or not) then you are...

If he tells you that he believes X, who are you to say that he actually believes Y instead?[/QUOTE

because I can

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

You'll have to be clearer. You are still confusing "why" as purpose and "why" as cause.

lol.....they are both the same thing, ultimately,
or have you never heard of the law of cause and consequence (effect) ????
like two sides of the same coin....your favorite Idiom...
and I won't tell you why they call them..... "idioms". ( that should be obvious )

So, what CAUSED life to evolve on this planet, and what was the PURPOSE behind it ?

Please proceed...

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

What an ignorant statement. Another clue that you'd benefit from a basic science class. Though it's true that the molecules of everything that I can currently see will have changed form within 100 million years, they will not have 'decayed into oblivion'.

That's correct, every atom that makes up everything that you can see right now,
including the meat sack you are in...….will be history as far as what those ATOMS OF DUST form today.

So, what does that tell you ? ( or should tell you )

 

[gnostic]

Although this thread is not to discuss its topic in relation to religion, let me only give this example: during the golden age of the Islamic empire, despite what many people may think, the majority of the citizens of that empire were non-Muslims!

The Christians, the Jews, and the Zoroastrians, were all allowed to keep their lands in their hands and keep their places of worship, and were not enforced convert to the new religion. The tax (Jizya) they were paying was marginal compared to the hefty taxes they were used to pay to the Roman and Pertain empires. Indeed that is why many of the citizens of those empires have welcomed and even supported the newcomers. And if it was not for this support, the small number of Muslim Bedouins and other Arabs with their ill equipped forces and poor strategies would not have been able to defeat the two great world powers of that time.

You have idealistic view of the Golden Age of Islam.

Granted, they were a lot more advanced and civilized than contemporary European Christians at that time, but there was no doubt that these non-Muslims were only tolerated...there was no true equality for the non-Muslims.

You can have a town or city, in which people - Muslims, Jews and Christians, living in the same place for generations, but there were no doubt that Muslims have special treatments for just being “Muslims”, so non-Muslims don’t have the same rights and the same legal representation or protections that Muslims received.

Non-Muslims were treated as second citizens, despite they were born, brought up, lived and died in the same town or city as their Muslim neighbors.

Toleration don’t equal to equality.

And it is certainly worse today, for certain Muslim-controlled countries, where inequality are even worse.

 

[ratiocinator]

lol.....they are both the same thing, ultimately...

No, they aren't - obviously. Why (how did this come about) is obviously not the same as why (for what purpose).

So, what CAUSED life to evolve on this planet

The right conditions and the laws of physics and chemistry.

and what was the PURPOSE behind it ?

There is no evidence that there is one.

 

[ratiocinator]

...will be history as far as what those ATOMS OF DUST form today.

You do understand that there's no such thing as an atom of dust? Dust isn't an element.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

What an ignorant statement. Another clue that you'd benefit from a basic science class. Though it's true that the molecules of everything that I can currently see will have changed form within 100 million years, they will not have 'decayed into oblivion'.

That's correct, every atom that makes up everything that you can see right now,
including the meat sack you are in...….will be history as far as what those ATOMS OF DUST form today.

So, what does that tell you ? ( or should tell you )

No, they aren't - obviously. Why (how did this come about) is obviously not the same as why (for what purpose).



The right conditions and the laws of physics and chemistry.



There is no evidence that there is one.

Oh no, not another one..

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

You do understand that there's no such thing as an atom of dust? Dust isn't an element.

Do you understand that a particle of dust contains MANY atoms ?
Do you understand that your body contains MANY particles of dust ?
Do you understand that what you "think" you are is nothing but "DUST" then ???????