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Is Atheism science?

Valjean

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If Atheism is not a belief/faith, does it make it science?
Regards
No, atheism is not a research method.
Your question confuses me, though. What do you believe science is?
The only thing you can generalize about "atheism people" is that they all lack a belief in God, although some also believe God doesn't exist.
"It is very natural to believe" -- in what? I'd expect a natural belief to be common to almost everyone. What belief would this be?
Is Atheism science?
If not, is Atheism just a conjecture, please?
Regards
No. Science is a research modality. Atheism is the epistemic default position. We're born without a belief in God. This lack of belief can't be a conjecture. A conjecture is a guess or poorly evidenced opinion about something. Atheism isn't something -- atheism is a lack of something.
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Why are you so hung up on atheism?
What does one do after one has thoroughly asked the questions, or made the statements, that demonstrate one's lack of knowledge or understanding of a particular subject except to move on to a new subject? Right? Please.

This month it's atheism. Congratulations!!
 

Skwim

Veteran Member

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Cacotopia

Let's go full Trottle
I think all of you are feeding him. This is the 4th thread now. And every new thread is just a reschauffe of the first thread.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
paarsurrey said:
Is Atheism science?
If not, is Atheism just a conjecture, please?
Regards

No. Science is a research modality. Atheism is the epistemic default position. We're born without a belief in God. This lack of belief can't be a conjecture. A conjecture is a guess or poorly evidenced opinion about something. Atheism isn't something -- atheism is a lack of something.

No. Science is a research system, as you say. But atheism is not the epistemic default position. Human beings are born without a belief in God, but they are born with a sense of wonder for the natural world. One of the the first emotions children experience is not boredom or an interest in science, it's awe. They are interested in being alive and everything in the universe is a wonder to them. You'll see this wide-eyed stare in children, it is only when people tell them "that's nonsense," that they become harsh and jaded. In other words, the default position is either animism or paganism.

Lack of belief is not lack of belief. There is no such thing as a lack of belief, even among atheists. Human beings in fact are incapable of lack of belief without somehow emotionally closing themselves off from all opinions. And that's nihilism, not atheism. Atheism is a presence of nonbelief.

The Scandinavian Sceptic (or why atheism is a belief system)

"I don't believe in Sweden."

The first problem is that the statement "atheism is just non-belief in God" proves too much. What do I mean? Well, on this definition my cat is an atheist, because it does not believe in God. (I sometimes suspect cats believe they are God, but that's another story entirely.) Likewise potatoes and small rocks are also atheists, because they, too, do not possess a belief in a deity of any kind.

When I have pointed this out to atheists, I usually receive a response along these lines: "But a potato can't believe anything". To which I reply: "So you're now saying that atheism is the lack of belief in God by a creature that has the ability to form beliefs?" This is a different claim entirely—indeed, it's a positive claim.

The atheist is now claiming to believe that the external world really exists (thus she is rejecting metaphysical idealism), that other minds exist, that the human mind can form beliefs, and that our cognitive faculties are broadly reliable.[3] Each of those is a hotly debated area in philosophy.

Oops!

So here's the problem for the atheist. If atheism is not a claim of any kind, then it is simply meaningless. On the other hand, if the atheist wishes to claim that his atheism is true, then that must mean that atheism is a claim, and claims need to be defended, evidence provided and reasons given. If atheists wish to join in the conversation and the debate—and I believe that they deserve their seat at the table of ideas as much as any other worldview—then they must recognise their belief for what it is and start behaving accordingly.

Whether or not it is a religion, atheism, certainly is a belief, a positive claim, just as much as the claim "Sweden doesn't exist" and positive claims need to be argued for. That can take time and effort but if the claim is true, the hard work will presumably pay off. Sometimes, however, I'm afraid I encounter atheists who seem to prefer to simply deconstruct the worldview of others without bothering to put in the effort to defend their own.

Deconstruction is easy but it is also lazy. It would take the work of a few minutes to round up a dozen physically fit young people, equip them with sledgehammers, pickaxes and a backhoe or two, and ask them to demolish my home. They could probably do it in a few days. But if I then asked them to build me a new home, I suspect I'd have baffled looks. Any fool can tear something down—but it takes wisdom, effort and hard work to build something up.

Yet build and construct we must if we wish our beliefs to be taken seriously, whether those beliefs are religious or irreligious. Christians should not mock or belittle atheists, but we must certainly press them and insist they provide evidence, reasons and arguments. Otherwise they will fall foul of the aphorism coined by one of their own, Christopher Hitchens, who quipped: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". I agree entirely and his advice applies not just to Christians but also to atheists—I would advise them to take it seriously.

If your ideology is not a belief, then other people can simply ignore it as a nonsense statement. If it is a claim/belief, it needs to be defended. So go ahead and defend it.
 
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