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The gnostics were heretics, they weren't Christians. If you know anything about the gnostics, you know that their belief structure was counter to Christ;s teachings and that of the Apostles. You provided nonsense, and your position is that of a tiny minority trying desperately to justify the unjustifiable within Christianity
Very clear NT and OT texts exist clearly condemn homosexuality, been posted over and over again
Can't turn the word arsenokoites into homosexual, no matter how hard you try.We are just going to go round-and-round.
On what evidence can you say I am wrong when no evidence prooves they are right?
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I don't think, I know we have. For whatever reason, our posts, links, studies, research, and knowledge have went ignored.
Whew, Sexual lust is condemned in the Bible.. Homosexuality is condemned in the Bible, OT and NT as an act, not a state of mind. I am not "against" homosexuality in general I have no responsibility to judge, just in the church, a believer can not be a practicing homosexual and be a church member. If there is a sexual act associated with your love of someone of the same sex, whatever the mindset, it is not compatible with Christianity.
It is very simple, I have read most of what has been posted, this study, that study, this view, that view, all very interesting. However, not one of you has said, this factor(s) is responsible in every case of homosexuality, for the homosexuality. A very simple statement. Beyond a reasonable doubt, which means proof. So that burden of proof is on you who believe whatever you believe. Beware however, I know that science to this point doesn't make this claim. So to be perfectly clear and unambiguous.............................. Do you have evidence that proves why homosexuality exists in humans, yes or no, and if yes, is it consistently present in every homosexual, and what are these factor(s) ? Very simple, very direct, you either have it, or you don't
I don't have to try, thousands of the most learned ancient Greek translators and linguists, as well as ditto for Hebrew, have made the issue so very clear.Nope. Can't turn the word Qadesh into homosexual, no matter how hard you try.
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Gods didn't create us as we are, we have become what we are. It wasn't Gods fault, he gave us free will, and it was abused. The result of these choices is that none of us is in harmony with God, we lie, cheat, steal..................all of us sin. if God didn't love us, all of us, humanity would have been obliterated a long time ago. Instead, he gave us a way to become harmonious with him. and the way is Jesus Christ. However, he doesn't save us in our sinfulness, he saves from our sinfulness. Christ's way of salvation is for every human being, but he said if we are going to follow him, we must pick up and carry our own cross. Meaning, along with other things, that we must refute sin in our lives, which can be extremely difficult. We don't become perfect, we are perfect through him and by him. I didn't decide what sin would be, Christ and the Apostles defined it. They defined the way to be saved from it, .they defined the way to once again come into harmony with God
Christians have no right or responsibility to apply in any way, the Biblical standard to someone outside the church, it is flat out wrong, and those who do it should know better. In any case, only God can judge the heart, we see actions, he see's motives.
But you have stated you wont associate with homosexuals and they cannot be your best friend. That alone means you are judging, and you are taking up responsibility to judge. By saying you won't associate with someone for reason x, you are judging. Yes, we all have types we won't associate with. The last person I declared that I won't associate with was a violent criminal who had no remorse and no desire to change his ways. It wasn't over something trivial or petty like a sexual orientation, but that he has no qualms about admitting he is a felon who has a gun because he needs it because he runs with some pretty nasty groups. In that case, even my own safety can be compromised. With homosexuals, there is no threat, no danger, no reason to believe or assume their may be violence via mere association.
And I know some priests and pastors that would disagree with you. As a matter of fact, it was a homosexual-affirming priest and his wife who made me see the error of my former ways, which were a very deep mistrust and hatred of Christians and Christianity. When this priest invited me to dinner with his family, even though I am not a Christian, I am who I am, and even though I was just putting down "someone else's stick to poke them with," I sat with him and his family, broke bread, and learned a very crucial and very important lesson in life. I remember, very clearly, when at a neo-Pagan/metaphysical shop when the owner said she hired a Christian to be her assistant, like just about everyone else, I was essentially no different than a cat arching the back, hissing, and hair standing on end. But as I got to know her, my bitterness towards Christians became less hostile. I talked music with the children of the priest and his wife. I met the priest, and I thought he was a really cool and good guy. We had dinner together, and they paid. We were polar opposites on the spiritual scale, yet there we were, enjoying each others company, being friendly, and religion, sexuality, gender, nothing of such a sort was significant or important.
If you had actually read them, it would show. But that you ask the same question, the same questions that imply ignorance in the face of enlightenment, we all have a very good reason to doubt you. You had the answer that it isn't 100% known why someone is hetero-or-homosexual, but the research clearly shows a very strong genetic link. We have shown you that clearly there is very much indeed a genetic link, yet you still ask why. We have shown you evidence that it is not a choice, yet you still condemn. The priest I previously mentioned lost a chunk of his congregation when he began to openly allow homosexuals into his congregation. But the way he saw it, that was just weeding out those who did not see us all as children of God, it was getting rid of the hypocrites, and cleansing his church of those who missed the point of what Jesus was teaching.