Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[Jose Fly]

It's not that they can't, the issue is first they can't do it without taking off their Christian glasses and socks, to truly walk those two miles in someone else's shoes. Their worldview so deeply revolves around their faith that it blinds them to the views of the others because they can only see through their "Christ-tinted goggles."

I've kind of settled on it being a function of fear. Putting oneself in someone else's shoes leads to understanding their viewpoint, which might lead to questioning their own, which might lead to loss of faith. So it's far safer to just shut that whole thing down at the outset.

 

[Jose Fly]

I believe everyone is free to choose.

Well there ya' go.

One ought to know that sin leads to death and Hell.

Sure, just as one ought to know that one person's idea of what constitutes "sin" is not necessarily shared by others, and others are not beholden to it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I've kind of settled on it being a function of fear. Putting oneself in someone else's shoes leads to understanding their viewpoint, which might lead to questioning their own, which might lead to loss of faith. So it's far safer to just shut that whole thing down at the outset.

I wouldn't even say it's fear. They can't understand or approach the world unless viewing it through their Christian ideology because it is so deeply entrenched in their mind set. They aren't afraid, they just can't process things without first running it through their "dogma machine." Which leads to statements such as "Christianity is the only religion." They aren't afraid of Islam, for example, or Judaism, or even Pagans, but because they aren't Christian religions, they are wrong because it doesn't match their deeply entrenched beliefs. In its more extreme manifestation, even other Christian denominations are wrong and going to Hell because they aren't congruent with the beliefs of whatever specific denomination.
Now, when efforts are made, either consciously themselves or deliberately by another, to lower this "shield of faith," that is what tends to provoke anxiety and fear, because their very existence revolves around and is built upon their faith.

 

[Jose Fly]

I wouldn't even say it's fear. They can't understand or approach the world unless viewing it through their Christian ideology because it is so deeply entrenched in their mind set. They aren't afraid, they just can't process things without first running it through their "dogma machine." Which leads to statements such as "Christianity is the only religion." They aren't afraid of Islam, for example, or Judaism, or even Pagans, but because they aren't Christian religions, they are wrong because it doesn't match their deeply entrenched beliefs. In its more extreme manifestation, even other Christian denominations are wrong and going to Hell because they aren't congruent with the beliefs of whatever specific denomination.
Now, when efforts are made, either consciously themselves or deliberately by another, to lower this "shield of faith," that is what tends to provoke anxiety and fear, because their very existence revolves around and is built upon their faith.

Those are good thoughts, and you may very well be right.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Those are good thoughts, and you may very well be right.

It's basically how so many can come out of a science class and say "it's just a theory" in regards to evolution. Their "shield" easily rationalizes things away for dismissal because it doesn't fit. This mentality is seen in other groups, such as the "anti-vaccers" and "truthers," but they don't have the money and influence and power that religion does and they don't have thousands of years of experience in controlling them and insulating them from the outside world. They also tend to blend in more easily.

 

[JesusMyFriend]

I believe you can stop breathing until your face turns blue but the reality will remain that you have to breathe in order to live. The same is true of sin. One may believe it doesn't exist but the death and Hell will come anyway.

The death and Hell created by you in a way. And why should there be a Hell to punish people who have done nothing? If that's the case, it's nonsense. And death? That's our destiny after all. But let life see after everything I guess.
Also, what is sin to you?

 

[HeatherAnn]

I do have a religion, and the concept of "sin" isn't in its vocabulary.

There is, however, virtuous and honorable behavior that speaks of good character. One's sexuality doesn't play into that at all, in of itself. It depends on how one uses it, and whether or not one's uses of it are in keeping with one's own sense of virtue and honor.

The various gods also have things they favor and disfavor. One isn't expected to act in accordance with the favors of all the gods; it is impossible. The vast majority of the gods will be completely indifferent to some human's sexual preferences. For those whose domains include sexuality, so what if you're disfavored by the gods who enshrine male-female sex to exclusion of all other sex acts? The ones who are more inclusive will favor you just fine.

I've redefined sin to mean incorrect thought, at heart - and consequent emotions, intent and actions.
Jesus suggested as such - that not just having sex with someone you're not married to but lusting after them is also not good.

Homosexuality, statistically shows to be harmful - physically and psychologically, according to the US CDC and based on mental distortions - beliefs that go against one's own biology and anatomy. I love people, and part of that is hoping and striving for what is healthy for them, rather than what leads to sickness, like homosexual lifestyles do.

Jesus was similarly politically incorrect.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I think those that oppress and torment anyone, including LGBT people, and make up justifications for doing it- that's the ones likely to go to Naraka (hell). This world has enough suffering and hatred in it. Whatever justifications Christians may think they have for oppressing LGBT individuals- they're just adding to the collective suffering and torments of humanity, and feeding aversion. One of the chief poisons.

LGBT people have cried out to society constantly- stop it. You're hurting and tormenting us.

That should be the end. They are not harming anyone. Your definition of love must be very distorted. The nice dogmatic jusifications one can tell themselves for causing other humans pain and unbelievable heartache.

 

[Quintessence]

That's a very old post you replied to - like three years old.

Homosexuality, statistically shows to be harmful - physically and psychologically, according to the US CDC and based on mental distortions - beliefs that go against one's own biology and anatomy. I love people, and part of that is hoping and striving for what is healthy for them, rather than what leads to sickness, like homosexual lifestyles do.

Yeah, don't expect me to follow that narrative. Especially when mental disorders amongst homosexuals are largely caused by intolerant bigots making their lives difficult. Gee, who would have thought that when you're treated like garbage by a society you get stressed out and mentally unstable?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Especially when mental disorders amongst homosexuals are largely caused by intolerant bigots making their lives difficult. Gee, who would have thought that when you're treated like garbage by a society you get stressed out and mentally unstable?

They're trying that same narrative on transgender people now.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Homosexuality, statistically shows to be harmful - physically and psychologically, according to the US CDC

I checked. They don't say it is harmful. And they say nothing about "beliefs going against biology and anatomy." They do, however, as I would very much like to point out, they do consider your beliefs to be a contributing factor contributing to risks of LBGT, and labels them as "unfair."
For Your Health | Gay and Bisexual Men's Health | CDC

Other factors that can negatively impact your health and ability to receive appropriate care:
Homophobia;
Stigma (negative and usually unfair beliefs);
Discrimination (unfairly treating a person or group of people differently);

I love people, and part of that is hoping and striving for what is healthy for them, rather than what leads to sickness, like homosexual lifestyles do.

Then quit spreading bull**** about them and insisting they are self-destructive when it is those like you who cause LBGT people so much grief, pain, and agony. It's not your life, so bugger off.

 

[Muffled]

I've kind of settled on it being a function of fear. Putting oneself in someone else's shoes leads to understanding their viewpoint, which might lead to questioning their own, which might lead to loss of faith. So it's far safer to just shut that whole thing down at the outset.

I believe the idea that it is fear is totally supposition. Obviously one never desires to be in a difficult situation. I certainly don't wish to go through the kind of pain my wife goes through. However I have experienced enough pain to know I don't want it. The same is true for sin.

 

[Muffled]

Shadow wold said: "There is nothing in the Constitution that allows religious people to make demands that everyone be subject to their own personal religious beliefs. But, yet, that is exactly what many Christians want."

Actually the constitution allows congress to make laws and does not restrict the basis except a rather ambiguous statement that has been open for a lot of interpretation that Congress may not make laws pertaining religion. So if that were the case Congress could not make a law agains theft, murder or rape because those all have a basis in religion.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Shadow wold said: "There is nothing in the Constitution that allows religious people to make demands that everyone be subject to their own personal religious beliefs. But, yet, that is exactly what many Christians want."

Actually the constitution allows congress to make laws and does not restrict the basis except a rather ambiguous statement that has been open for a lot of interpretation that Congress may not make laws pertaining religion. So if that were the case Congress could not make a law agains theft, murder or rape because those all have a basis in religion.

But those things don't ONLY have their basis in religion. I can make a logically consistent secular argument against theft, murder and rape. Can you make one against homosexuality?

 

[Muffled]

The death and Hell created by you in a way. And why should there be a Hell to punish people who have done nothing? If that's the case, it's nonsense. And death? That's our destiny after all. But let life see after everything I guess.
Also, what is sin to you?

I believe I have no portion with that.

I believe there are no such people.

I believe it is anything that is not in harmony with the will of God.

 

[Muffled]

But those things don't ONLY have their basis in religion. I can make a logically consistent secular argument against theft, murder and rape. Can you make one against homosexuality?

I believe so.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I believe so.

Great, let's hear it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually the constitution allows congress to make laws and does not restrict the basis except a rather ambiguous statement that has been open for a lot of interpretation that Congress may not make laws pertaining religion. So if that were the case Congress could not make a law agains theft, murder or rape because those all have a basis in religion.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." And if you need religion to tell you things like theft, rape, and murder are wrong then I question your sense of morality, even if you have any concept of a moral compass.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

It's not that they can't

I suspect they can't. Empathy is required and requires certain biological traits to accomplish it, like mirror neurons. I think they are permanently stuck at a toddler's level of self-vs-other.

Jesus was similarly politically incorrect.

And his attitude killed him.

********* The More You Know ...

I think those that oppress and torment anyone, including LGBT people, and make up justifications for doing it- that's the ones likely to go to Naraka (hell).

They will go to heaven, but every day for eternity will be a giant drag show and God will cosplay as Sharon Needles.

Why send people to hell when hateful people would find heaven disgusting?

 

[Buddha Dharma]

Why send people to hell when hateful people would find heaven disgusting?

Ah well you see, in Buddhism no one sends anyone to hell, except for the person themselves. I'm willing to discuss Buddhist hell or answer questions about it, but not really to bandy on about it.

There are getting into areas of Buddhism's meritorious effects for the practitioner when we discuss the hell subject.