Is being gay a sin according to your religion?

[sojourner]

Is this plain or an interpretation because I dont see that there.

It's exegesis.

Even if it did state this as the case...many would relate this to the worship of the flesh which = sex. Enter abrahamic religious understanding of homosexuality and WHOOP there it is.

Well... you certainly made that mistake...

 

[Muffled]

Homosexual love is NOT sexual sin.



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I believe that is a blasphemy.

 

[Muffled]

Comparing two people in a consensual relationship to domestic violence, wow..

I believe sometimes the domestic vioence is at least partially consensual. There are masoachists.

What sin do you prefer to compare it to? I believe deception seems like a nice cozy sin that people enjoy and one could even consider it consensual when a person deceives oneself.

 

[Muffled]

Now we are equating gay and lesbian sexuality with physical violence against a partner. Come the smeg on people.

I believe that is not the case. I do not see the sins as equal. However sin is sin and one can't say one is showing love by committing sin.

 

[Jainarayan]

Asatru has no concept of sin to begin with.

...while there is no definitive list of sins; right and wrong still exist. The Values of Asatru

It has a code of honor, generally spelled out in the Nine Noble Virtues. To that end, the Norse did not care if a man got it on privately with another man as long as, even for just appearances, both began and cared for a family. More children, more people in the clan, better chances for survival. The passive partner was looked down on, but who really had to know who did what?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I believe that is not the case. I do not see the sins as equal. However sin is sin and one can't say one is showing love by committing sin.

Love is determined by whether or not your chromosomes are different than your partner's?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Love is determined by whether or not your chromosomes are different than your partner's?

Which is funny because trans people and intersex people throw a kink in that. Intersex people could have sex with almost everyone, going by that argument.

 

[sojourner]

Asatru has no concept of sin to begin with. It has a code of honor, generally spelled out in the Nine Noble Virtues. To that end, the Norse did not care if a man got it on privately with another man as long as, even for just appearances, both began and cared for a family. More children, more people in the clan, better chances for survival. The passive partner was looked down on, but who really had to know who did what?

Hey, I'm fairly ignorant on the subject; is Asatru the same thing as Heathenry?

 

[Jainarayan]

Hey, I'm fairly ignorant on the subject; is Asatru the same thing as Heathenry?

It's a subset. I'm a little fuzzy on all the terminology too, but Heathen and Pagan are more like umbrella terms. I've been reading a lot, and I see Heathen and Pagan used interchangeably. Within them you have Asatru, literally, "faithful to the Aesir" (the Norse gods); Wicca; Celtic traditional/indigenous religions; and admixtures of them all. Odinism is sometimes separated out from Asatru; some people don't see them as separate. Btw, Asatru is an officially recognized religion in Iceland. The US military has recognized Thor's Hammer as a legitimate grave marker, and accepted Asatru as a legitimate religion for those service members who have a religious affiliation.

 

[sojourner]

It's a subset. I'm a little fuzzy on all the terminology too, but Heathen and Pagan are more like umbrella terms. I've been reading a lot, and I see Heathen and Pagan used interchangeably. Within them you have Asatru, literally, "faithful to the Aesir" (the Norse gods); Wicca; Celtic traditional/indigenous religions; and admixtures of them all. Odinism is sometimes separated out from Asatru; some people don't see them as separate. Btw, Asatru is an officially recognized religion in Iceland. The US military has recognized Thor's Hammer as a legitimate grave marker, and accepted Asatru as a legitimate religion for those service members who have a religious affiliation.

Thanks. I have a friend who's Heathen. He states that heathenry is much different from Paganism. He's got a frickin' HUGE Thor's hammer tattooed on his forearm. I have a lot of respect for Heathenry (or Asatru, as the case may be).

 

[Jainarayan]

Thanks. I have a friend who's Heathen. He states that heathenry is much different from Paganism. He's got a frickin' HUGE Thor's hammer tattooed on his forearm. I have a lot of respect for Heathenry (or Asatru, as the case may be).

Quite honestly I don't know enough about the differences in the names. As I said, I've seen them used interchangeably and conflated. There is a lot of upg in heathen and pagan religions too. For example, there are large gaps in the lore of Asatru. A lot of literature was preserved, but I shudder to think how much was actually lost. So some elements have to be extrapolated, or pieced together, sometimes based on gut feeling or intuition of what is right or not. Some people I've been conversing with have mixed pantheons, from different traditions. I still believe in the Hindu deities as one group or class of deities. I always did. And while there are overlaps between some of the Hindu and Asatru deities in functions, my gut tells me to not mix them in the same shrine or worship. To me, the Asatru deities are more rough-and-tumble-in-your-face, while the Hindu deities are more subtle. Yet other people do it without feeling the "creepiness" I did.

 

[sojourner]

Quite honestly I don't know enough about the differences in the names. As I said, I've seen them used interchangeably and conflated. There is a lot of upg in heathen and pagan religions too. For example, there are large gaps in the lore of Asatru. A lot of literature was preserved, but I shudder to think how much was actually lost. So some elements have to be extrapolated, or pieced together, sometimes based on gut feeling or intuition of what is right or not. Some people I've been conversing with have mixed pantheons, from different traditions. I still believe in the Hindu deities as one group or class of deities. I always did. And while there are overlaps between some of the Hindu and Asatru deities in functions, my gut tells me to not mix them in the same shrine or worship. To me, the Asatru deities are more rough-and-tumble-in-your-face, while the Hindu deities are more subtle. Yet other people do it without feeling the "creepiness" I did.

I honestly don't know much about it. I know it's not for me, but I totally respect it as a valid religion. I'd like to learn more about it.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

The only gays that should be accepted are lesbians, as long as they are hot and always naked.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

The only gays that should be accepted are lesbians, as long as they are hot and always naked.

The funny thing is, that is actually a very common mindset here in the south. Granted, it's most common around the age range of 13-16.

 

[Nada]

The only gays that should be accepted are lesbians, as long as they are hot and always naked.

What???

 

[AlphaAlex115]

What???

I actually agree with him. Sort of. Not reallllly.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

I believe sometimes the domestic vioence is at least partially consensual. There are masoachists.

What sin do you prefer to compare it to? I believe deception seems like a nice cozy sin that people enjoy and one could even consider it consensual when a person deceives oneself.

Sin doesn't exist. "Sin" is a scare tactic and control mechanism that religionists invented to scare everyone into conforming to a made up set of standards. I prefer "Saint" George Carlin's system of morality. "Don't kill me, and don't take my sh**."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

The only gays that should be accepted are lesbians, as long as they are hot and always naked.

You're joking, right?

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

You're joking, right?

In this case, I'm sure he is, but you'd be surprised how common this mindset is... Even in Christianity. In fact, there is actually a website dedicated to it.
Threesomes Within a Christian Marriage

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

In this case, I'm sure he is, but you'd be surprised how common this mindset is... Even in Christianity. In fact, there is actually a website dedicated to it.
Threesomes Within a Christian Marriage

I know how pervasive it is. Many straight men think that the world revolves around their sexual appetites and oppress or marginalize others that fall outside of that.