Is Cannabis the Answer?

[McBell]

Both @Saint Frankenstein and @Deeje made these claims. Good job though, really!

Fair enough with Saint Frankenstein.

You really need to read Deeje's post again.
She is not claiming that weed is not addictive.

 

[1137]

Fair enough with Saint Frankenstein.

You really need to read Deeje's post again.
She is not claiming that weed is not addictive.

No, she's claiming it doesn't not get people high, does not have a psychoactive effect.

 

[McBell]

No, she's claiming it doesn't not get people high, does not have a psychoactive effect.

now you are moving the goal posts.

 

[1137]

now you are moving the goal posts.

Uhhhhhh....

To think that makes it a cure all miracle drug with no chance of physiological dependency or even physiological effects is nothing but ignorance.

she's claiming it doesn't not get people high, does not have a psychoactive effect.

 

[McBell]

Uhhhhhh....

My apologies.
To many tabs open.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

that its fibre makes he best clothing, rope, bricks, etc,

Actually, those come from hemp, which has no recreational and medical value. And hemp does have great potential because it is such a great source of raw fiber. It also has wonderful nutritional benefits, and is a good food flavoring for a number of dishes. Mulch, canvas, clothing, carpet, oils, shoes, bags, paper, there is so much hemp can be used for the only sensible solution, for the economy and environment, is to switch over to this cheap, easy to grow, and quickly replaced source. Just think: we wouldn't even need trees for paper anymore.

 

[Onyx]

I never smoked that much weed myself, but never complained about the sidestream smoke either.

 

[Deeje]

Both @Saint Frankenstein and @Deeje made these claims. Good job though, really!

I have never made any such claim. I said no one I had spoken to who had used the oil said it made them "high". Who could say that legal drugs don't have a worse effect on patients?
My suggestion was that perhaps people who are already mentally affected by their drug abuse might have problems....?

I don't recall saying it was a cure-all...all I said was that many people are gaining amazing results and that alone is reason to allow those who are suffering to at least have a trial to see if it helps with their condition. Is that unreasonable?

You seem to want to twist everything in a negative direction, as if your own personal experience has to taint everyone else's? Obviously not everyone responds in the same way....We have noted your opinion....there is sometimes a bigger picture than just one narrow view.

 

[1137]

I have never made any such claim. I said no one I had spoken to who had used the oil said it made them "high". Who could say that legal drugs don't have a worse effect on patients?
My suggestion was that perhaps people who are already mentally affected by their drug abuse might have problems....?

I don't recall saying it was a cure-all...all I said was that many people are gaining amazing results and that alone is reason to allow those who are suffering to at least have a trial to see if it helps with their condition. Is that unreasonable?

You seem to want to twist everything in a negative direction, as if your own personal experience has to taint everyone else's? Obviously not everyone responds in the same way....We have noted your opinion....there is sometimes a bigger picture than just one narrow view.

I've recognized the positives of marijuana over and over again in this thread. I've even explained that physiological addiction is not inherently negative, and provided an amazing example of a young boy who used to have 300 seizures a day, and now sometimes have none. How in the world is this me twisting things to be negative? It's not negative to point out facts like that marijuana can be physically addicting, or that cbd can affect the mind, or that marijuana use gets you high in many of its forms, and it's absurd you would interpret it that way. And I've even admitted to using it successfully for 3 years for numerous ailments, with the support of both family and physician. So once again, you have no idea what you're talking about, and the like and "winner" remark are very embarrassing for those members.

 

[Deeje]

I've recognized the positives of marijuana over and over again in this thread. I've even explained that physiological addiction is not inherently negative, and provided an amazing example of a young boy who used to have 300 seizures a day, and now sometimes have none. How in the world is this me twisting things to be negative? It's not negative to point out facts like that marijuana can be physically addicting, or that cbd can affect the mind, or that marijuana use gets you high in many of its forms, and it's absurd you would interpret it that way. And I've even admitted to using it successfully for 3 years for numerous ailments, with the support of both family and physician. So once again, you have no idea what you're talking about, and the like and "winner" remark are very embarrassing for those members.

It actually seems as if you don't know what you are talking about. Did you realize that you come across as a sort of Jekyll and Hyde on this thread? You appear to fluctuate between agreeing and disagreeing....can you please just make up your mind...?

Medicinal Cannabis should be legal for those who are suffering to try its effectiveness for themselves on an individual basis, under a doctor's supervision if necessary......are we at least agreed on that?

 

[1137]

It actually seems as if you don't know what you are talking about. Did you realize that you come across as a sort of Jekyll and Hyde on this thread? You appear to fluctuate between agreeing and disagreeing....can you please just make up your mind...?

Medicinal Cannabis should be legal for those who are suffering to try its effectiveness for themselves on an individual basis, under a doctor's supervision if necessary......are we at least agreed on that?

Recognizing the negatives of something makes me Jekyll and Hyde? Give me a break.

 

[Lyndon]

When a regular drug is legalized its is legalized only for the conditions it has proved to be effective for, not so medical marijuana, it has been proved effective for a few conditions, most of the rest haven't been scientifically tested and yet marijuana is prescribed for almost anything, because it is a drug that gets you high it should be regulated like benzos and pain killers, you can't get a prescription for oxy codone for depression or anxiety, but yet you can for marijuana.

 

[Deeje]

As a medicinal drug. No.

Can you please watch the videos in the OP and tell me that again? That is pure ignorance talking.
Please educate yourself.

Recreational take your own risks.

Many people do, and it seems amazing to me that anyone can obtain illegal MJ for recreational use...doctors. lawyers, judges, even police officers......and yet, when a sick person needs the medicinal kind of cannabis for valid reasons to alleviate suffering, the long arm of the law says "you can't have that". Does that make sense to you?

Please see what happened to little Charlotte Figi and hundreds of other kids with epilepsy, just like her.....

Google

Make an informed decision about this plant.

 

[columbus]

Cancer treatments generally leave one sick and tired most of the time and that combined with the after effect drugs plus the drugs to counter the side effects of those drugs seem to leave one with a pretty sorry quality of life.

I have seen this for myself. People who had never had any use for recreational drugs found nearly miraculous benefit from marijuana while suffering through cancer treatment. Also AIDS patients often got huge relief.
Tom

 

[Shadow Wolf]

because it is a drug that gets you high it should be regulated like benzos and pain killers

If you look at places that have placed tighter restrictions on opiate pain killers, you will notice the rates of opiate addiction, and deaths, going up. Indiana has never had problems with heroine before, but after new regulations placed on the opiates made it harder to get them, in moved the criminals with their black market alternatives, and low and behold, Indiana is starting to have a real problem with heroine, and it's projected to get worse. In the larger picture, pot being increasingly legalized for medical and recreational has caused the prices per bushel to plummet, so much that many Mexican cartels are not even growing it anymore, but rather they are growing opium.

you can't get a prescription for oxy codone for depression or anxiety, but yet you can for marijuana.

Oxies aren't because opium has a very high risk for abuse and dependency, pot, on the other hand, doesn't have that risk nor does it have the risks of conventional psychotropic medications.

 

[Deeje]

Here are some more positive stories from real people who have gained the benefits of medicinal Cannabis

https://www.medicaljane.com/category/patient-stories/

 

[Deeje]

@adrianhindes can I get your medical opinion on the medicinal cannabis controversy please?

How does the medical profession respond to the evidence made available online?
Are doctors dissuaded from considering the evidence?

 

[Dawnofhope]

@adrianhindes can I get your medical opinion on the medicinal cannabis controversy please?

How does the medical profession respond to the evidence made available online?
Are doctors dissuaded from considering the evidence?

I'm not aware of any strong evidence in any reputable peer reviewed medical journal that proposes the use of marijuana for any medical condition. I have never recommended it to any of my patients. I've never heard any of my immediate colleagues recommending it either.

There is growing evidence of a causal affect in some psychiatric disorders. One of the best measures we can take to improve our physical health is to stop smoking cigarettes. One of the best measures for 'some' people with psychological problems is to stop using cannabis.

 

[Deeje]

I'm not aware of any strong evidence in any reputable peer reviewed medical journal that proposes the use of marijuana for any medical condition. I have never recommended it to any of my patients. I've never heard any of my immediate colleagues recommending it either.

Interesting.....do you see the drug companies as friends or enemies of our health? Does it make sense that cannabis is classified as a schedule 1 drug when there is not a single recorded death from overdose? I am not talking about recreational marijuana, but medicinal cannabis oil. The results are online for all to see for themselves. Children with intractable epilepsy have had their seizures stopped by this medicine. Are doctors kept out of this loop? If you watch the videos in the OP I would appreciate your opinion of the content. I am surprised by your response to tell you the truth.

There is growing evidence of a causal affect in some psychiatric disorders. One of the best measures we can take to improve our physical health is to stop smoking cigarettes. One of the best measures for 'some' people with psychological problems is to stop using cannabis.

Too much weed can indeed fry some brain cells but no more so than overconsumption of alcohol or as a side effect of a great many legal pharaceutical drugs.
No one is suggesting "smoking" it recreationally, (though, like alcohol, there is no harm in moderation) but I am talking about having the oil made from medicinal strains of the plant, administered in minute doses for strictly medical reasons. The results are too amazing to be ignored.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Does it make sense that cannabis is classified as a schedule 1 drug when there is not a single recorded death from overdose? I am not talking about recreational marijuana, but medicinal cannabis oil. The results are online for all to see for themselves. Children with intractable epilepsy have had their seizures stopped by this medicine. Are doctors kept out of this loop? If you watch the videos in the OP I would appreciate your opinion of the content. I am surprised by your response to tell you the truth.

There is a vast difference between the stories you posted and peer reviewed medical journals. It is excellent that some people with severe illness have found benefit from medicinal cannabis. I have no objection at all, and I completely support research into any medication including medical cannabis that may alleviate suffering or cure illness. However until much more is known medical doctors need to be very careful about prescribing this medication and under what circumstances.

I did have a patient with chronic degenerative neurological condition who asked to be prescribed medical cannabis. It is extremely tightly regulated in my country. I sought advice from a neurologist who was unaware of any evidence that it would be beneficial. However as nothing else had helped special application was made. No benefit resulted unfortunately.

Research will continue and lets see what emerges