Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders

[Apostle John]

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy. The bible is no more "evidence" than are The Koran, Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Guru Granth Sahib, Vetas, Agamas, Tipitaka, etc.

It is humanly impossible to invent the Bible as it is known today, without God instructing it’s authors over 1400 years, proven by archaeology etc., then the church fathers. The story is too elaborate and intricate for the human mind to invent and so must be true. This is what sets it apart from all religious texts.

 

[Viker]

It is humanly impossible to invent the Bible as it is known today, without God instructing it’s authors over 1400 years, proven by archaeology etc., then the church fathers. The story is too elaborate and intricate for the human mind to invent and so must be true. This is what sets it apart from all religious texts.

Humans wrote it. It is not impossible that much of it is man made invention.

Many other religions have scriptures and archeology to support their position. You've likely never read others so the claim of too elaborate and intricate is misguided. Just because there is a temple in Jerusalem is not evident of it's God. It's only evident that it's God has had believers.

 

[Apostle John]

Humans wrote it. It is not impossible that much of it is man made invention.

Many other religions have scriptures and archeology to support their position. You've likely never read others so the claim of too elaborate and intricate is misguided. Just because there is a temple in Jerusalem is not evident of it's God. It's only evident that it's God has had believers.

You conveniently forgot to mention the evidence of two Jewish Temples and haven’t given a credible reason for the existence of the New Testament. Once this is seen as true evidence of Christ, one can see Satan was the angel that spoke to Muhammad and that other religious texts are nonsense coming from the scattering of the nations at the Tower of Babel.

 

[Viker]

You conveniently forgot to mention the evidence of two Jewish Temples and haven’t given a credible reason for the existence of the New Testament. Once this is seen as true evidence of Christ, one can see Satan was the angel that spoke to Muhammad and that other religious texts are nonsense coming from the scattering of the nations at the Tower of Babel.

A testimony is only valid for establishing credence, not credibility. Using one's own account of a thing without other impartial corroborating accounts doesn't work to establish a truth. Jesus is no more and no less valid than the Buddha or Zoroaster. All of which, admittedly, are interesting. The Buddha is an incredible figure.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Many people don't seem to think that truth is an important concept. Anything will do as long as you like it.

That's a perfect description of belief by faith, and the reason that there are so many tens of thousands of religions, denominations, and gods. For truth, you need to turn to empiricism, or the reasoned evaluation of evidence. Using this method, we come up with but a single periodic table of the elements. Furthermore, that table can be used to predict outcomes and manipulate matter to great benefit - an essential element of anything that is legitimately called truth. If you lose that tether to physical reality, then you are in the world you just described - anything will do as long as you like it. What to stop somebody from choosing one religion over another? None have truth as I have defined it, just various claims that they can't demonstrate are correct and can't use to any benefit but call truth anyway.

It should not ever be superiority in the sense of me being superior to you, but the truth is always better than what is not true.

Yes, but the religions aren't after truth. They have no method for discerning what is true and separating it from the untrue. Each calls itself the truth and others false, and none of them have a better case than any other, since all they can show are words.

I don't think it is necessary to say the others are ‘Satan inspired’.

Many Christians do. They would say that your comment was Satan inspired, since it's Satan that wants you to believe that. Protestants consider Catholics satanic, and the Jehovah's Witnesses consider them both Satanic. However, they can probably all agree that Harry Potter is Satanic.

I can tell Judaism wasn’t started by Satan but the rest were, purely because there’s no evidence that controverts this.

Thats a classic ignorantiam fallacy - something is true because it has not been proven untrue.

There’s evidence of God the Creator in His Word, the Bible. He said He made Satan. The existence of thousands of religions having absolutely no evidence to support them

Your religion is among those without sufficient supporting evidence to be believed. There is insufficient evidence that Jesus was a demigod or survived death to believe either claim.

It is humanly impossible to invent the Bible as it is known today, without God instructing it’s authors over 1400 years

I could have written that book, as could millions of others. There is nothing there that isn't typical human prose.

The story is too elaborate and intricate for the human mind to invent and so must be true.

The story has too many internal contradictions and errors of history and science to be called true.

haven’t given a credible reason for the existence of the New Testament.

People felt like writing it. People get caught up in causes and movements. People become zealous and fanatical. Some are opportunists. People invent gods and religions. That religion was marketed and is still being marketed (missions, Bibles in hotel rooms, Superbowl ads).

 

[Vinayaka]

Creationiets alter science too.

Indeed. Rewriting, distorting, altering ... whatever you want to call it, has a long history on our planet.

 

[Apostle John]

A testimony is only valid for establishing credence, not credibility. Using one's own account of a thing without other impartial corroborating accounts doesn't work to establish a truth. Jesus is no more and no less valid than the Buddha or Zoroaster. All of which, admittedly, are interesting. The Buddha is an incredible figure.

Are you talking about the late Christopher Hitchens? Do you miss him?

 

[Viker]

Are you talking about the late Christopher Hitchens? Do you miss him?

No and no.

 

[Audie]

It is humanly impossible to invent the Bible as it is known today, without God instructing it’s authors over 1400 years, proven by archaeology etc., then the church fathers. The story is too elaborate and intricate for the human mind to invent and so must be true. This is what sets it apart from all religious texts.

"Archaeology etc" unambiguously
prove "creation" and " flood" are fiction.

 

[Audie]

You conveniently forgot to mention the evidence of two Jewish Temples and haven’t given a credible reason for the existence of the New Testament. Once this is seen as true evidence of Christ, one can see Satan was the angel that spoke to Muhammad and that other religious texts are nonsense coming from the scattering of the nations at the Tower of Babel.

How is your book credible when it contains so
much fiction?
Anyone who thinks such as' flood" is historical
fact-let alone supported by " archaeology etc"-
is still mentally in the 18th century and has
no concept of what "credible" even means.

 

[Apostle John]

How is your book credible when it contains so
much fiction?
Anyone who thinks such as' flood" is historical
fact-let alone supported by " archaeology etc"-
is still mentally in the 18th century and has
no concept of what "credible" even means.

The science you appear to follow has no evidence, none to date. This is why there’s a struggle to credibly refute anything in the Bible. You’ll likely say it will one day as a cop out..

Just try to give a credible reason and explanation where seeds, eggs and sperm come from to disprove God the Creator Who is more than capable of causing a worldwide flood.

Don’t bother giving a sweeping statement like “normal chemical processes”. I’m a Chemist and know how much effort goes into make a simple molecule like ammonia. Molecules need a chemist to change the conditions of heat, light and other controlling factors each single step to form bigger molecules like dna, they don’t form randomly as if by magic.

You won’t be able to explain and demonstrate this and say how atoms suddenly gain consciousness. An atheist has no evidence disproving God or the Bible.

 

[Windwalker]

Many people don't seem to think that truth is an important concept. Anything will do as long as you like it. All paths lead to the same place. Nobody has the whole truth, we all touch a different part of the elephant and describe it a different way. etc etc.
That is a man made philosophy born of confusion imo.

I'm not sure why you would throw in "anything will do as long as you like it", with all those other valid perspectives on truth. The former has nothing at all to do with the latter. All the great religions teach against this notion of whatever feels good to should be pursued.

Quite the opposite is the case. Self-discipline, overcoming the desires of the flesh and so forth are all commonplace, basic spiritual principles that any spiritual aspirant needs to take heed to be mindful of. No, not "anything will do as long as you like it." I might like drinking a quart of booze over a weekend, but that will simply not do.

As far as the rest of those statements, all of those have one common goal in mind: humility. Do not presume your ideas about the Divine, or your beliefs about God are superior to others. That is the problem of religiosity, and it is something Jesus as a teacher intended to smash as an idol of man. So when you say that is a man-made philosophy born of confusion, that confusion is that "I have to one true religion", and that is a man-made idol. Can you dispute this?

 

[Windwalker]

It isn't about "supremacy" but about purpose.

If Buddhism's goal is to ultimately remove the cycle of rebirth, Jesus removes it by one born-again experience.

I find that the term "born again" is completely synonymous with the Buddhist and Hindu terms of Enlightenment. Same thing. If you have that "born again", or Enlightenment experience, then the cycle is removed.

I believe Born Again, means an actual rebirth of the mind and spirit, not simply a status on a church ledger that you became a member. "When you accepted Jesus, you were born again". That's like saying when you became a Buddhist, you became Enlightened. Isn't it? No, when you accepted Jesus, you committed to a spiritual path. Born again is an Awakening experience, where now you can actually "see" the kingdom of God, or the Divine is the world.

 

[lukethethird]

There’s evidence of God the Creator in His Word, the Bible. He said He made Satan. The existence of thousands of religions having absolutely no evidence to support them, other than in some where spirits talking to their originators is evidence of Satan influencing minds, as the Bible states.

Does The Bible have a single thing to say about reality?

 

[Apostle John]

Does The Bible have a single thing to say about reality?

Yes it fully explains reality. Can you give a full and satisfactory explanation to my last post above #31.

 

[Audie]

The science you appear to follow has no evidence, none to date. This is why there’s a struggle to credibly refute anything in the Bible. You’ll likely say it will one day as a cop out..

Just try to give a credible reason and explanation where seeds, eggs and sperm come from to disprove God the Creator Who is more than capable of causing a worldwide flood.

Don’t bother giving a sweeping statement like “normal chemical processes”. I’m a Chemist and know how much effort goes into make a simple molecule like ammonia. Molecules need a chemist to change the conditions of heat, light and other controlling factors each single step to form bigger molecules like dna, they don’t form randomly as if by magic.

You won’t be able to explain and demonstrate this and say how atoms suddenly gain consciousness. An atheist has no evidence disproving God or the Bible.

FIRST, I said nothing about " disproving God "
an impossibility and a near- impossibly ridicualous STRAWMAN.
So is talk of origin of life, which I also
didn't mention. Strawman.

You may be a " chemist" but you demonstrate
well that you are no scienteit.

I can't tell in your discursive ramble what
science you say I follow despite no evidence.

What I referred to was disprove of 6 day poof
creation, and flood. Vast quantities of evidence for thar, don't you know?

Only the most deliberately ignorant and
determined to live pre-19th century is unaware
that " flood" is a STORY, not fact.
As in."Not a scientist"

Please respond on topic. Evasion and strawman looks Iike you can not deal with
such as disproof of " flood".

 

[lukethethird]

Yes it fully explains reality. Can you give a full and satisfactory explanation to my last post above #31.

The only explanation for post #31 is a total detachment from reality.

 

[Apostle John]

Please respond on topic. Evasion and strawman looks Iike you can not deal with
such as disproof of " flo9d".

I have been on topic Christ is founder and part of the Triune God who the Bible says upholds the world. So a simple question that you supposed realists still struggle to answer is how atoms form molecules form dna form consciousness without a chemist or Creator still goes unanswered. It is said Chris Hitchens was an effective debater but I doubt he could answer this question without babbling.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why is supremacy so important to so many Christians?

From my viewpoint, that's not the thing that's important to them. What's important to them is that their beliefs are true.

If the beliefs of Christianity are true, then Jesus is God (or the son of God) and Krishna, Buddha, etc., aren't.

Don't you think that God is superior to his creation?

Don't you consider it important that your beliefs be true?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have been on topic Christ is founder and part of the Triune God who the Bible says upholds the world. So a simple question that you supposed realists still struggle to answer is how atoms form molecules form dna form consciousness without a chemist or Creator still goes unanswered.

Oh, that's easy: it's by magic poofing.