Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders

[Exaltist Ethan]

Divinity does not appear in any physics text book for a reason. The notion of divinity stems from magical thinking, non existent in reality. Divinity makes for good fiction and sometimes not so good fiction, it depends on how good the story teller is.

Just like with God there is no one consensus of what divinity is. And just because it’s not in physics textbooks it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

 

[Vinayaka]

And that's a good point. For those Hindus that believe in Krishna, he is a God or the incarnation of a God. For some Christians, Jesus is God's only Son and The Messiah. But Baha'is can't have that. Those beliefs have to be wrong. So, Baha'is will say that the followers misinterpreted their own Scriptures or something like that. So, it's not like Krishna or Jesus aren't great and important. They just aren't Gods like their followers have come to believe. Isn't it funny that after all these years and threads, we're still talking about this stuff? And, of course, because Baha'is believe their teachings and message are superior, I'm sure it will continue.

There is a pattern here. I point it out. There is an apology, but no promise to not do it again, and then it happens again, and I point it out again. There is no ability to actually change a perspective just out of respect. But you've stayed at it a lot longer than I have. The title in this one also suggests that Krishna is the founder of Hinduism. Vaishnavism, and Krishna came later in history, and was an addition to the Sanatana Dharma before that. Hinduism has no human founder. But of course, according to Bahais, we got that wrong too. I would have thought that the realisation that you're doing more harm than good for your religion would have come along as well, but that too hasn't. Shucks darn, eh. It's -25 C here currently. Now that's important.

 

[SDavis]

This question to me has been a huge cause of strife, disunity and even war. All the great Teachers/Prophets (Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna etc) in history taught spirituality. So in my mind They are all equal with regards to this purpose.

But many Christians , clinging to one or two verses, fanatically assert Christ’s superiority and that other religions are ‘Satan inspired’ and their founders - false prophets. Do you agree with this?

Krishna and Buddha are revered by their followers and were well before the time of Christ yet no mention is made in the Bible that Krishna or Buddha are from Satan. And as the Bible is claimed to be God’s Word and God is All Knowing, no mention either that Muhammad, the Bab or Baha’u’llah are false Prophets. So where is the Bible stating all these other religions are false according to Christians.

There are verses where Christ says He is the beginning and the end but so too did Krishna say the same thousands of years before Christ appeared. So why the insistence on Jesus being superior when if anything Jesus taught love above anything else. Why is supremacy so important to so many Christians?

Why start in the middle? Christ existed long before Buddha.

Christianity comes from Abraham of ancient Hebrews, which goes back to Melchizedek of the ancient Canaanites and the god they called Elohim /El which goes back to the ancient Sumerians and one of their gods they called Enlil / El.

Christians agree with Abraham is the Father or the Israelites and the beginning of the worship of who later became Yahweh. Christians agree with Melchizedek being the king and high priest of the most high God, that he had no beginning and no end. But Christians have a hard time accepting Melchizedek was a high priest and king of Salem a Canaanite City.

Christians have a hard time accepting that Abraham was from the city of Ur which was a city of ancient Sumeria.

Christians will not accept the ancient writings of the Sumerians concerning the gods - yet they are all the same people - Abraham, Sumerians, Canaanites, all lived in the same areas. And some of the gods written in the Bible as false gods are also written in the ancient literature of the Canaanites and Sumerians.


Christ is much, much older than any Buddha just according to ancient history.

Buddhism originated 2500 years ago

Hinduism originated 4,000 years ago

Hebrew scrolls written history over 4,000 years ago (which Jesus come from)

Sumerian writings of their gods 4,500 plus years ago. The Sumerian king/god list goes back over a hundred thousand years ago which is ignored.

Don't just start at Christianity go back to the beginning. Like Jesus said before Abraham was I Am _ like Thomas said to Jesus my Lord and my God just before Jesus ascended to the sky _ Jesus is all through the Old Testament.

 

[101G]

Krishna and Buddha are revered by their followers and were well before the time of Christ yet no mention is made in the Bible that Krishna or Buddha are from Satan. And as the Bible is claimed to be God’s Word and God is All Knowing, no mention either that Muhammad, the Bab or Baha’u’llah are false Prophets. So where is the Bible stating all these other religions are false according to Christians.

do krishna and buddha believe in reincarnation? yes.

101G.

 

[stvdv]

There are verses where Christ says He is the beginning and the end but so too did Krishna say the same thousands of years before Christ appeared

So why the insistence on Jesus being superior

Spiritual arrogance is the cause of this, due to lack of Love. Spiritual wise Teachers warn us for this monster that easily pops up, but is very hard to get rid of, once it's given residence in one's mind

 

[loverofhumanity]

Many people don't seem to think that truth is an important concept. Anything will do as long as you like it. All paths lead to the same place. Nobody has the whole truth, we all touch a different part of the elephant and describe it a different way. etc etc.
That is a man made philosophy born of confusion imo.

I’m of the belief that God has always spoken to men since time began but not always through Christ. Other Prophets and Messengers appeared well before Jesus so that God might make Himself known to men. People believed in God before Moses and Christ appeared. I believe it’s the same God just appearing in different attire and with a different Name in each age. But just like the rays of the sun all come from the same sun so too I believe that all the major religions originate from one common Source - God.

 

[lukethethird]

I’m of the belief that God has always spoken to men since time began but not always through Christ. Other Prophets and Messengers appeared well before Jesus so that God might make Himself known to men. People believed in God before Moses and Christ appeared. I believe it’s the same God just appearing in different attire and with a different Name in each age. But just like the rays of the sun all come from the same sun so too I believe that all the major religions originate from one common Source - God.

God has never spoken to me, nor to anyone I know for that matter, unless he has and no one is saying.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why do you believe Krishna said so before Jesus?

I don't think it is necessary to say the others are ‘Satan inspired’. I think the others just don't have as good teachings and message.

Bhagavad -Gita ch 10:20

I am the beginning, middle, and end of all beings.

The question which must be asked is “did biblical authors steal these words from the Bhagavad-Gita? “ The Gita was written about 400BCE.

 

[loverofhumanity]

It isn't about "supremacy" but about purpose.

If Buddhism's goal is to ultimately remove the cycle of rebirth, Jesus removes it by one born-again experience.

I believe in both Jesus and Buddha but with a twist. I believe Buddha originally taught about God but His teachings have been lost and changed. I do not believe Buddha taught reincarnation but rebirth spiritually like Jesus and that many allegorical teachings have been interpreted literally by the followers.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The answer isn't obvious?

There are just and fair minded Christians and some are very good friends. But traditionally they denounce all other religions as false without a shred of evidence which I believe is prejudice and no one should accept.

 

[lukethethird]

Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders
Christ healed the sick and raised the dead, just so you know where the bar is set.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

This question to me has been a huge cause of strife, disunity and even war. All the great Teachers/Prophets (Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna etc) in history taught spirituality. So in my mind They are all equal with regards to this purpose.

But many Christians , clinging to one or two verses, fanatically assert Christ’s superiority and that other religions are ‘Satan inspired’ and their founders - false prophets. Do you agree with this?

Krishna and Buddha are revered by their followers and were well before the time of Christ yet no mention is made in the Bible that Krishna or Buddha are from Satan. And as the Bible is claimed to be God’s Word and God is All Knowing, no mention either that Muhammad, the Bab or Baha’u’llah are false Prophets. So where is the Bible stating all these other religions are false according to Christians.

There are verses where Christ says He is the beginning and the end but so too did Krishna say the same thousands of years before Christ appeared. So why the insistence on Jesus being superior when if anything Jesus taught love above anything else. Why is supremacy so important to so many Christians?

I think almos everyone believed their Prophet is superior. Often Muslims believed Muhammad is superior. Some Bahais also feel Baha'u'llah is superior.
But we are told, not to differentiate between any of His Messengers.
It is a difficult thing to do indeed. Most of us, become biased toward our own Prophet.

 

[lukethethird]

There are just and fair minded Christians and some are very good friends. But traditionally they denounce all other religions as false without a shred of evidence which I believe is prejudice and no one should accept.

Then they must be a false religion too, just like all the others.

 

[loverofhumanity]

From my viewpoint, that's not the thing that's important to them. What's important to them is that their beliefs are true.

If the beliefs of Christianity are true, then Jesus is God (or the son of God) and Krishna, Buddha, etc., aren't.

Don't you think that God is superior to his creation?

Don't you consider it important that your beliefs be true?

The problem as I see it is one of ignorant prejudice. Having studied all the scriptures of all the major religions I found they all teach truth and all are from the same God just as the rays of the sun all come from the one sun. I believe God is above all else and Christ Krishna and other Prophets His Voice and SpokesPersons.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Well, He's God, so yes.

This is our position with regards to some of your beliefs.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened and the soul of the sinner sanctified.... He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him. (Baha’u’llah)

As to the position of Christianity, let it be stated without any hesitation or equivocation that its divine origin is unconditionally acknowledged, that the Sonship and Divinity of Jesus Christ are fearlessly asserted, that the divine inspiration of the Gospel is fully recognized.(Shoghi Effendi)

 

[CG Didymus]

There is a pattern here. I point it out. There is an apology, but no promise to not do it again, and then it happens again, and I point it out again. There is no ability to actually change a perspective just out of respect. But you've stayed at it a lot longer than I have. The title in this one also suggests that Krishna is the founder of Hinduism. Vaishnavism, and Krishna came later in history, and was an addition to the Sanatana Dharma before that. Hinduism has no human founder. But of course, according to Bahais, we got that wrong too. I would have thought that the realisation that you're doing more harm than good for your religion would have come along as well, but that too hasn't. Shucks darn, eh. It's -25 C here currently. Now that's important.

It's dropping down to 30 degrees at night here and we're freaking out. But anyway, my main complaint is that I don't see that Baha'is accept your religious views or even the Vaishnavism Hindus. I don't know of any Christian sect that they agree with, so to say that Baha'is believe that all the religions are true is just empty words to me.

Because I've been around Baha'is and know some of their teachings, I feel it is right to call them out. I really think that they are misleading people into thinking Baha'is accept all people as is... no matter what their religious beliefs. Now if they said that they'd accept anybody from any religion as members to their religion, I think that would be more accurate. It'd be so easy to go that one step further and actually love, respect and understand other people in the other religions just as they are and not try and convince them that their beliefs are wrong or outdated.

 

[loverofhumanity]

God has never spoken to me, nor to anyone I know for that matter, unless he has and no one is saying.

His Words are reflected in the scriptures of various religions. So if you have read even one passage then God has ‘spoken’ to you. If you read below then you have heard God speak.

“The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens. (Baha’u’llah)

 

[CG Didymus]

I believe in both Jesus and Buddha but with a twist. I believe Buddha originally taught about God but His teachings have been lost and changed. I do not believe Buddha taught reincarnation but rebirth spiritually like Jesus and that many allegorical teachings have been interpreted literally by the followers.

Why, other than it contradicts Baha'i beliefs, would you think so? What evidence is there? When and how did they get lost? If those were the true teachings why did they get changed? And why wouldn't some sect of Buddhism have tried to keep those "original" teachings of Buddha? It's just too easy for Baha'is to come with this stuff now and say that Buddha taught about God and that his followers misinterpreted his words and thought he meant that a soul of a person gets reborn into different bodies. That is so very different than being "born-again".

 

[CG Didymus]

His Words are reflected in the scriptures of various religions. So if you have read even one passage then God has ‘spoken’ to you. If you read below then you have heard God speak.

“The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens. (Baha’u’llah)

Some Baha'is have said that God hasn't spoken audibly, but the Bible says he has. What is the official Baha'i position on this?

 

[Audie]

Is Christ superior to other Prophets/Founders
Christ healed the sick and raised the dead, just so you know where the bar is set.

So one of countless such.